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How to Stop the Alt-Tab Key From Reading Row and Column Information When Switching From One Window To Another


David Goldfield
 

Using Windows 10 version 2004.

I recently had to create a new user profile to correct an issue I was having. I have everything set up according to my preferences, except for one minor issue that I can't seem to resolve.

When I press the alt key and continuously tap the tab key to cycle from one open window to another I hear row and column information being spoken along with the title, as in, "JAWS row 1, column 1." I thought that changing the theme to a classic theme used to correct this but I can't find such an option in Windows 10.

I realize that I so far haven't specified screen reader and screen reader version info as this is not a screen reader issue. However, I'm using NVDA 2020.3 beta 1 as well as the August build of JAWS 2020.


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David Goldfield,
Blindness Assistive Technology Specialist
JAWS Certified, 2019

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David Goldfield
 

I have solved the problem and I must say I'm feeling a bit foolish.

First, the issue was screen reader specific. I thought I heard the row and column info speaking in JAWS but I had a bit of an aha moment and I suspected that I knew what the cause of the problem was. I checked and it was not occurring with JAWS, even though I thought that it was. As it turns out disabling NVDA's speaking of row and column headers fixed the problem.


David Goldfield,
Blindness Assistive Technology Specialist
JAWS Certified, 2019

WWW.DavidGoldfield.org

On 9/15/2020 8:59 AM, David Goldfield wrote:
Using Windows 10 version 2004.

I recently had to create a new user profile to correct an issue I was having. I have everything set up according to my preferences, except for one minor issue that I can't seem to resolve.

When I press the alt key and continuously tap the tab key to cycle from one open window to another I hear row and column information being spoken along with the title, as in, "JAWS row 1, column 1." I thought that changing the theme to a classic theme used to correct this but I can't find such an option in Windows 10.

I realize that I so far haven't specified screen reader and screen reader version info as this is not a screen reader issue. However, I'm using NVDA 2020.3 beta 1 as well as the August build of JAWS 2020.


gbmagoo@...
 

It is the beta jaws bill 2021, not 2020...

Just thought I would let you know

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Subject: [win10] How to Stop the Alt-Tab Key From Reading Row and Column Information When Switching From One Window To Another

Using Windows 10 version 2004.

I recently had to create a new user profile to correct an issue I was having. I have everything set up according to my preferences, except for one minor issue that I can't seem to resolve.

When I press the alt key and continuously tap the tab key to cycle from one open window to another I hear row and column information being spoken along with the title, as in, "JAWS row 1, column 1." I thought that changing the theme to a classic theme used to correct this but I can't find such an option in Windows 10.

I realize that I so far haven't specified screen reader and screen reader version info as this is not a screen reader issue. However, I'm using NVDA 2020.3 beta 1 as well as the August build of JAWS 2020.


--
David Goldfield,
Blindness Assistive Technology Specialist JAWS Certified, 2019

WWW.DavidGoldfield.org


David Goldfield
 

You wrote:

It is the beta jaws bill 2021, not 2020...
I'm not using the beta of JAWS 2021. I'm using a beta of NVDA 2020.3 as well as JAWS 2020.




David Goldfield,
Blindness Assistive Technology Specialist
JAWS Certified, 2019

WWW.DavidGoldfield.org

On 9/15/2020 9:26 AM, gbmagoo@... wrote:
It is the beta jaws bill 2021, not 2020...

Just thought I would let you know

-----Original Message-----
From: win10@win10.groups.io <win10@win10.groups.io> On Behalf Of David Goldfield
Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2020 06:00
To: win10@win10.groups.io
Subject: [win10] How to Stop the Alt-Tab Key From Reading Row and Column Information When Switching From One Window To Another

Using Windows 10 version 2004.

I recently had to create a new user profile to correct an issue I was having. I have everything set up according to my preferences, except for one minor issue that I can't seem to resolve.

When I press the alt key and continuously tap the tab key to cycle from one open window to another I hear row and column information being spoken along with the title, as in, "JAWS row 1, column 1." I thought that changing the theme to a classic theme used to correct this but I can't find such an option in Windows 10.

I realize that I so far haven't specified screen reader and screen reader version info as this is not a screen reader issue. However, I'm using NVDA 2020.3 beta 1 as well as the August build of JAWS 2020.


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David Goldfield,
Blindness Assistive Technology Specialist JAWS Certified, 2019

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gbmagoo@...
 

Sory my mistake

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From: win10@win10.groups.io <win10@win10.groups.io> On Behalf Of David Goldfield
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Subject: Re: [win10] How to Stop the Alt-Tab Key From Reading Row and Column Information When Switching From One Window To Another

You wrote:

>>It is the beta jaws bill 2021, not 2020...

I'm not using the beta of JAWS 2021. I'm using a beta of NVDA 2020.3 as well as JAWS 2020.




David Goldfield,
Blindness Assistive Technology Specialist JAWS Certified, 2019

WWW.DavidGoldfield.org

On 9/15/2020 9:26 AM, gbmagoo@... wrote:
It is the beta jaws bill 2021, not 2020...

Just thought I would let you know

-----Original Message-----
From: win10@win10.groups.io <win10@win10.groups.io> On Behalf Of David
Goldfield
Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2020 06:00
To: win10@win10.groups.io
Subject: [win10] How to Stop the Alt-Tab Key From Reading Row and
Column Information When Switching From One Window To Another

Using Windows 10 version 2004.

I recently had to create a new user profile to correct an issue I was having. I have everything set up according to my preferences, except for one minor issue that I can't seem to resolve.

When I press the alt key and continuously tap the tab key to cycle from one open window to another I hear row and column information being spoken along with the title, as in, "JAWS row 1, column 1." I thought that changing the theme to a classic theme used to correct this but I can't find such an option in Windows 10.

I realize that I so far haven't specified screen reader and screen reader version info as this is not a screen reader issue. However, I'm using NVDA 2020.3 beta 1 as well as the August build of JAWS 2020.


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Hi,
This is due to the fact that open windows are presented as a grid and somehow table column position information is presented through UIA.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: win10@win10.groups.io <win10@win10.groups.io> On Behalf Of David Goldfield
Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2020 6:00 AM
To: win10@win10.groups.io
Subject: [win10] How to Stop the Alt-Tab Key From Reading Row and Column Information When Switching From One Window To Another

Using Windows 10 version 2004.

I recently had to create a new user profile to correct an issue I was having. I have everything set up according to my preferences, except for one minor issue that I can't seem to resolve.

When I press the alt key and continuously tap the tab key to cycle from one open window to another I hear row and column information being spoken along with the title, as in, "JAWS row 1, column 1." I thought that changing the theme to a classic theme used to correct this but I can't find such an option in Windows 10.

I realize that I so far haven't specified screen reader and screen reader version info as this is not a screen reader issue. However, I'm using NVDA 2020.3 beta 1 as well as the August build of JAWS 2020.


--
David Goldfield,
Blindness Assistive Technology Specialist JAWS Certified, 2019

WWW.DavidGoldfield.org


Timothy
 

On Tue, Sep 15, 2020 at 08:59 AM, David Goldfield wrote:

I thought that changing the theme to a classic theme used to correct this but I can't find such an option in Windows 10.

While I realize you already solved this issue via a setting change in NVDA, whether through a profile trigger or otherwise, you are right that there's a setting that will prevent this behavior by reverting the tab switcher to the Windows XP variant. For those with slower computers or where UIA happens to be a little unresponsive, this is truly a useful tweak as it doesn't make your computer feel slow when switching among windows.

There's the temporary way of doing this—holing the Left-alt key, tapping and releasing the Right-alt key, and pressing Tab a number of times until you find the window you want. There's also a registry tweak which is explained in this Winaero article which makes the behavior permanent for a user profile. The article says that there are visual changes as well, so it depends on you which solution you wish to use, but I avoid UIA whenever possible so have the registry tweak applied and never looked back.

Timothy