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sticky Fine-Grained Control Over the Group Messages You Receive from Groups.io


 

Hello All,


I know that most folks participate by e-mail, but there are some features related to how your individual messages or digests are delivered to you that cannot be controlled by the e-mail interface but where you must log in to your Groups.io account and go to your subscription page.  If you have never logged in to the site and don’t have a password, please see the section on doing just that, which is toward the end of this message, first.

Using the Advanced Preferences for e-mail delivery gives you very precise control over which messages will make it to your inbox and can allow you to significantly decrease the amount of e-mail you receive from a high-traffic group while allowing you to decide what's important enough to keep an eye on.

Advanced Preferences for Your Group Subscription

 

Once you get to the main Groups.io webpage, http://groups.io, you will need to navigate to the Log in (two words) button and activate it.  Once you’ve entered your username, which is the e-mail address you’ve used to subscribe to the group(s) you routinely read, and password, then hit the Log in button beneath them you will be taken to the “Your Groups” page.

1.        Do a screen reader find for “Your Groups” which takes you to the “Your Groups” dropdown button and activate it.  Arrow down through the list of groups to select the one for which you wish to set up your advanced preferences.  You will have to start back at this step for each group for which you wish to set up the advanced mail preferences.

2.       Do a screen reader find for “Subscription” link and activate it.

3.       Just so you’re aware these are on this page, there is a radio button cluster for the regular delivery options:  All Messages, Full Featured Digest, Plain Digest, Daily Summary, Special Notices Only, No email.  This is immediately followed by two checkboxes related to using a signature:  Use signature for web posting and Use signature for e-mail posting.  These are followed by the signature edit box, should you wish to set up a signature that goes on to all your messages if you check one of the previously mentioned checkboxes.

4.      Do a screen reader find for “Advanced” which will take you to the Advanced Preferences link.  Activate it.

5.       There are three major sections to the advanced preferences:

a.       Message Selection.  There are two radio buttons:  All Messages and Following Only.  If the first is selected then every message sent to the group will be sent to you in the format you selected for e-mail delivery.   If you select Following Only then the only messages you will receive are messages you’ve chosen to follow.  There is a checkbox associated with “Following Only,” “First Message Also.”  If this checkbox is checked it serves as a selective override such that the first message in any new topic is sent to you so that you can see it  and elect to follow it with the link at the end of the message if you wish to keep monitoring this topic.

b.      Replies.  There is a checkbox, “Auto follow replies,” which will make any topic that you start yourself, or any topic in which you reply to a message, followed.  This checkbox is generally only used if you have elected to use the “Following Only” feature for message selection.

c.       Max Attachment Size (only for groups that allow attachments).  This is followed by a dropdown box that allows you to choose from four different maximum sizes for attachments to be delivered to you via e-mail.  The default is unlimited size.  If you’re using an internet service with data caps you may wish to change this.  If you choose the zero option it means that all attachments will be stripped before a message is sent to you.

6.      Find the “Save” button and activate it to save these settings.

As you can see, if you choose a setup where you have elected to get messages with the “Following Only” option combined with the “First message also” checkbox this will greatly decrease the flow of e-mail you receive while allowing you to decide for each topic whether you wish to follow it to receive further messages or not.  If you do nothing then you will not receive any additional messages for that particular topic unless you hit the link to follow it at the end of the message or reply to it, if the “auto follow replies” option was checked.

 

Getting a Password to Log in to the Groups.io Website

If you’ve subscribed via e-mail you have a Groups.io login id, your e-mail address, but you’ve never been assigned a password for the website.  To get one:

1.        In your web browser, go to the Groups.io main site login page:  https://groups.io/login

2.       Find the “Forgot your password?” link and activate it.

3.       A page with a single edit box, e-mail address will open.  Enter your e-mail address in it.

4.      Navigate to the one and only button on the page, “Email Link to Log In,” and activate it.

 

5.       Watch your e-mail, including your spam/junk box, for a message from Groups.io that will contain a link you need to activate that takes you to your Groups.io profile page where you set your password.  This is the password you’ll use to log in to any Groups.io group webpage where you wish to do something, such as changing your preferences, that requires you to be logged in to do.  You are, at this stage, actually logged in.

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Dave... <dgcarlson@...>
 

Very  good posting. Thanks!

Dave
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On May 24, 2017, at 8:49 AM, Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:

Hello All,


I know that most folks participate by e-mail, but there are some features related to how your individual messages or digests are delivered to you that cannot be controlled by the e-mail interface but where you must log in to your Groups.io account and go to your subscription page.  If you have never logged in to the site and don’t have a password, please see the section on doing just that, which is toward the end of this message, first.

Using the Advanced Preferences for e-mail delivery gives you very precise control over which messages will make it to your inbox and can allow you to significantly decrease the amount of e-mail you receive from a high-traffic group while allowing you to decide what's important enough to keep an eye on.

Advanced Preferences for Your Group Subscription

 

Once you get to the main Groups.io webpage, http://groups.io, you will need to navigate to the Log in (two words) button and activate it.  Once you’ve entered your username, which is the e-mail address you’ve used to subscribe to the group(s) you routinely read, and password, then hit the Log in button beneath them you will be taken to the “Your Groups” page.

1.        Do a screen reader find for “Your Groups” which takes you to the “Your Groups” dropdown button and activate it.  Arrow down through the list of groups to select the one for which you wish to set up your advanced preferences.  You will have to start back at this step for each group for which you wish to set up the advanced mail preferences.

2.       Do a screen reader find for “Subscription” link and activate it.

3.       Just so you’re aware these are on this page, there is a radio button cluster for the regular delivery options:  All Messages, Full Featured Digest, Plain Digest, Daily Summary, Special Notices Only, No email.  This is immediately followed by two checkboxes related to using a signature:  Use signature for web posting and Use signature for e-mail posting.  These are followed by the signature edit box, should you wish to set up a signature that goes on to all your messages if you check one of the previously mentioned checkboxes.

4.      Do a screen reader find for “Advanced” which will take you to the Advanced Preferences link.  Activate it.

5.       There are three major sections to the advanced preferences:

a.       Message Selection.  There are two radio buttons:  All Messages and Following Only.  If the first is selected then every message sent to the group will be sent to you in the format you selected for e-mail delivery.   If you select Following Only then the only messages you will receive are messages you’ve chosen to follow.  There is a checkbox associated with “Following Only,” “First Message Also.”  If this checkbox is checked it serves as a selective override such that the first message in any new topic is sent to you so that you can see it  and elect to follow it with the link at the end of the message if you wish to keep monitoring this topic.

b.      Replies.  There is a checkbox, “Auto follow replies,” which will make any topic that you start yourself, or any topic in which you reply to a message, followed.  This checkbox is generally only used if you have elected to use the “Following Only” feature for message selection.

c.       Max Attachment Size (only for groups that allow attachments).  This is followed by a dropdown box that allows you to choose from four different maximum sizes for attachments to be delivered to you via e-mail.  The default is unlimited size.  If you’re using an internet service with data caps you may wish to change this.  If you choose the zero option it means that all attachments will be stripped before a message is sent to you.

6.      Find the “Save” button and activate it to save these settings.

As you can see, if you choose a setup where you have elected to get messages with the “Following Only” option combined with the “First message also” checkbox this will greatly decrease the flow of e-mail you receive while allowing you to decide for each topic whether you wish to follow it to receive further messages or not.  If you do nothing then you will not receive any additional messages for that particular topic unless you hit the link to follow it at the end of the message or reply to it, if the “auto follow replies” option was checked.

 

Getting a Password to Log in to the Groups.io Website

If you’ve subscribed via e-mail you have a Groups.io login id, your e-mail address, but you’ve never been assigned a password for the website.  To get one:

1.        In your web browser, go to the Groups.io main site login page:  https://groups.io/login

2.       Find the “Forgot your password?” link and activate it.

3.       A page with a single edit box, e-mail address will open.  Enter your e-mail address in it.

4.      Navigate to the one and only button on the page, “Email Link to Log In,” and activate it.

 

5.       Watch your e-mail, including your spam/junk box, for a message from Groups.io that will contain a link you need to activate that takes you to your Groups.io profile page where you set your password.  This is the password you’ll use to log in to any Groups.io group webpage where you wish to do something, such as changing your preferences, that requires you to be logged in to do.  You are, at this stage, actually logged in.

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Suppression of expression by a publisher or broadcaster over what it disseminates is editorial oversight.

Suppression of expression of children by their parents is necessary socialization and good parenting.

 


Don & Cher
 

I’m not finding advance preferences. When I get to

 

1.        Do a screen reader find for “Your Groups” which takes you to the “Your Groups” dropdown button and activate it.  Arrow down through the list of groups to select the one for which you wish to set up your advanced preferences.  “

 

And select the Win10 group I land on a topics page with no mention of preferences.

 

Where am I missing the boat? Thanks.

 

Cher

 

 

 

 

From: win10@win10.groups.io [mailto:win10@win10.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2017 11:49 AM
To: win10@win10.groups.io
Subject: [win10] Fine-Grained Control Over the Group Messages You Receive from Groups.io

 

Hello All,


I know that most folks participate by e-mail, but there are some features related to how your individual messages or digests are delivered to you that cannot be controlled by the e-mail interface but where you must log in to your Groups.io account and go to your subscription page.  If you have never logged in to the site and don’t have a password, please see the section on doing just that, which is toward the end of this message, first.

Using the Advanced Preferences for e-mail delivery gives you very precise control over which messages will make it to your inbox and can allow you to significantly decrease the amount of e-mail you receive from a high-traffic group while allowing you to decide what's important enough to keep an eye on.

Advanced Preferences for Your Group Subscription

 

Once you get to the main Groups.io webpage, http://groups.io, you will need to navigate to the Log in (two words) button and activate it.  Once you’ve entered your username, which is the e-mail address you’ve used to subscribe to the group(s) you routinely read, and password, then hit the Log in button beneath them you will be taken to the “Your Groups” page.

1.        Do a screen reader find for “Your Groups” which takes you to the “Your Groups” dropdown button and activate it.  Arrow down through the list of groups to select the one for which you wish to set up your advanced preferences.  You will have to start back at this step for each group for which you wish to set up the advanced mail preferences.

2.       Do a screen reader find for “Subscription” link and activate it.

3.       Just so you’re aware these are on this page, there is a radio button cluster for the regular delivery options:  All Messages, Full Featured Digest, Plain Digest, Daily Summary, Special Notices Only, No email.  This is immediately followed by two checkboxes related to using a signature:  Use signature for web posting and Use signature for e-mail posting.  These are followed by the signature edit box, should you wish to set up a signature that goes on to all your messages if you check one of the previously mentioned checkboxes.

4.      Do a screen reader find for “Advanced” which will take you to the Advanced Preferences link.  Activate it.

5.       There are three major sections to the advanced preferences:

a.       Message Selection.  There are two radio buttons:  All Messages and Following Only.  If the first is selected then every message sent to the group will be sent to you in the format you selected for e-mail delivery.   If you select Following Only then the only messages you will receive are messages you’ve chosen to follow.  There is a checkbox associated with “Following Only,” “First Message Also.”  If this checkbox is checked it serves as a selective override such that the first message in any new topic is sent to you so that you can see it  and elect to follow it with the link at the end of the message if you wish to keep monitoring this topic.

b.      Replies.  There is a checkbox, “Auto follow replies,” which will make any topic that you start yourself, or any topic in which you reply to a message, followed.  This checkbox is generally only used if you have elected to use the “Following Only” feature for message selection.

c.       Max Attachment Size (only for groups that allow attachments).  This is followed by a dropdown box that allows you to choose from four different maximum sizes for attachments to be delivered to you via e-mail.  The default is unlimited size.  If you’re using an internet service with data caps you may wish to change this.  If you choose the zero option it means that all attachments will be stripped before a message is sent to you.

6.      Find the “Save” button and activate it to save these settings.

As you can see, if you choose a setup where you have elected to get messages with the “Following Only” option combined with the “First message also” checkbox this will greatly decrease the flow of e-mail you receive while allowing you to decide for each topic whether you wish to follow it to receive further messages or not.  If you do nothing then you will not receive any additional messages for that particular topic unless you hit the link to follow it at the end of the message or reply to it, if the “auto follow replies” option was checked.

 

Getting a Password to Log in to the Groups.io Website

If you’ve subscribed via e-mail you have a Groups.io login id, your e-mail address, but you’ve never been assigned a password for the website.  To get one:

1.        In your web browser, go to the Groups.io main site login page:  https://groups.io/login

2.       Find the “Forgot your password?” link and activate it.

3.       A page with a single edit box, e-mail address will open.  Enter your e-mail address in it.

4.      Navigate to the one and only button on the page, “Email Link to Log In,” and activate it.

 

5.       Watch your e-mail, including your spam/junk box, for a message from Groups.io that will contain a link you need to activate that takes you to your Groups.io profile page where you set your password.  This is the password you’ll use to log in to any Groups.io group webpage where you wish to do something, such as changing your preferences, that requires you to be logged in to do.  You are, at this stage, actually logged in.

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Suppression of expression by a publisher or broadcaster over what it disseminates is editorial oversight.

Suppression of expression of children by their parents is necessary socialization and good parenting.

 


 

Cher,

         You've skipped Step 2:  Do a screen reader find for “Subscription” link and activate it.

That's what gets you to the page with the "Advanced Preferences" link on it.
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   ~ Somerset Maugham

 


Don & Cher
 

I didn’t skip it- I’ve nevr found it in either IE or FF. In IE I pressed Enter on the group name link; but in FF I could see a checkbox, so checked the box and then hit Enter on the link.

Either of these actions takes me straight to the topics page right here after completing step 1. No subscription ; no advanced preferences links using a screen find or links list or reading the entire page ;)

 

Perhaps we’re using different browsers- and I’m using the May update to JAWS18.

 

(There is an actions button which brings up the different subscription options you mentioned would be present on the page- but this is before pressing enter on the group name link.)

 

I give up.

Cher

 

 

 

 

 

 

From: win10@win10.groups.io [mailto:win10@win10.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2017 4:43 PM
To: win10@win10.groups.io
Subject: Re: [win10] Fine-Grained Control Over the Group Messages You Receive from Groups.io

 

Cher,

         You've skipped Step 2:  Do a screen reader find for “Subscription” link and activate it.

That's what gets you to the page with the "Advanced Preferences" link on it.
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Brian      Version 1703, Build 15063.296, Home 64-bit

Like all weak men he laid an exaggerated stress on not changing one's mind.
   ~ Somerset Maugham

 


 

Hi,

And did you log into the web interface? This makes a difference.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: win10@win10.groups.io [mailto:win10@win10.groups.io] On Behalf Of Don & Cher
Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2017 5:14 PM
To: win10@win10.groups.io
Subject: Re: [win10] Fine-Grained Control Over the Group Messages You Receive from Groups.io

 

I didn’t skip it- I’ve nevr found it in either IE or FF. In IE I pressed Enter on the group name link; but in FF I could see a checkbox, so checked the box and then hit Enter on the link.

Either of these actions takes me straight to the topics page right here after completing step 1. No subscription ; no advanced preferences links using a screen find or links list or reading the entire page ;)

 

Perhaps we’re using different browsers- and I’m using the May update to JAWS18.

 

(There is an actions button which brings up the different subscription options you mentioned would be present on the page- but this is before pressing enter on the group name link.)

 

I give up.

Cher

 

 

 

 

 

 

From: win10@win10.groups.io [mailto:win10@win10.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2017 4:43 PM
To: win10@win10.groups.io
Subject: Re: [win10] Fine-Grained Control Over the Group Messages You Receive from Groups.io

 

Cher,

         You've skipped Step 2:  Do a screen reader find for “Subscription” link and activate it.

That's what gets you to the page with the "Advanced Preferences" link on it.
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Brian      Version 1703, Build 15063.296, Home 64-bit

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   ~ Somerset Maugham

 


 

As Joseph has said, and the instructions noted, you must be logged in to your Groups.io account before starting.

The instructions are in step-by-step format and were completed entirely using a screen reader to create them.

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Brian      Version 1703, Build 15063.296, Home 64-bit

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   ~ Somerset Maugham

 


Don & Cher
 

Yes, I was logged in on both browsers. Does anyone see anything wrong in my steps?

 

Cher

 

 

From: win10@win10.groups.io [mailto:win10@win10.groups.io] On Behalf Of Joseph Lee
Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2017 8:15 PM
To: win10@win10.groups.io
Subject: Re: [win10] Fine-Grained Control Over the Group Messages You Receive from Groups.io

 

Hi,

And did you log into the web interface? This makes a difference.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: win10@win10.groups.io [mailto:win10@win10.groups.io] On Behalf Of Don & Cher
Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2017 5:14 PM
To: win10@win10.groups.io
Subject: Re: [win10] Fine-Grained Control Over the Group Messages You Receive from Groups.io

 

I didn’t skip it- I’ve nevr found it in either IE or FF. In IE I pressed Enter on the group name link; but in FF I could see a checkbox, so checked the box and then hit Enter on the link.

Either of these actions takes me straight to the topics page right here after completing step 1. No subscription ; no advanced preferences links using a screen find or links list or reading the entire page ;)

 

Perhaps we’re using different browsers- and I’m using the May update to JAWS18.

 

(There is an actions button which brings up the different subscription options you mentioned would be present on the page- but this is before pressing enter on the group name link.)

 

I give up.

Cher

 

 

 

 

 

 

From: win10@... [mailto:win10@...] On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2017 4:43 PM
To: win10@win10.groups.io
Subject: Re: [win10] Fine-Grained Control Over the Group Messages You Receive from Groups.io

 

Cher,

         You've skipped Step 2:  Do a screen reader find for “Subscription” link and activate it.

That's what gets you to the page with the "Advanced Preferences" link on it.
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Brian      Version 1703, Build 15063.296, Home 64-bit

Like all weak men he laid an exaggerated stress on not changing one's mind.
   ~ Somerset Maugham

 


 

Cher,

         I ask this sincerely:  Please document the exact steps you're taking, step-by-step.

         I cannot fathom why what I wrote up is not working for you when it has for others.  There is clearly some "operator error" involved (and that's not a swipe at you, it's just got to be true) but figuring out where the omission or commission of something incorrect lies is impossible given the information you've shared.

         The structure of the Groups.io Groups pages is, as far as the landmarks I'm having people search for, static.  They should be there if you are logged in to the Groups.io website and start at Step 1 after you have logged in to Groups.io.   Step 3 is purely informational in case you'd want to tweak any of those things.  Otherwise go directly from Step 2 to Step 4.
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Cher,

          Also, are you subscribed to more than one group?  After expanding the "Your Groups" dropdown, for any of the groups I'm subscribed to where I also subscribe to a subgroup, I get a "main entry" that's announced as "Separator link" followed by the name of the group.  You definitely don't want to activate a separator link but continue through the list to an actual link.  In the case of this group NVDA is announcing "Visited Link, win ten."
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   ~ Somerset Maugham

 


Don & Cher
 

Brian- your responses have all been very gracious, but I had to quit on this until I was no longer frustrated with the repeated efforts. I have inserted exactly what I’m doing as you suggested in your subsequent message. I’ve marked my steps with a *.

 

 

Once you get to the main Groups.io webpage, http://groups.io, you will need to navigate to the Log in (two words) button and activate it.  Once you’ve entered your username, which is the e-mail address you’ve used to subscribe to the group(s) you routinely read, and password, then hit the Log in button beneath them

 

*No problem logging in.*

 

you will be taken to the “Your Groups” page.

 

*The page title is your subscriptions and Win10  is the only group listed for me. *

 

1.        Do a screen reader find for “Your Groups” which takes you to the “Your Groups” dropdown button and activate it.  

 

*There is no drop down button- I am only subscribed to the one group as far as I know; but am unsure about any subgroups because there is no drop down button and Win10 is the only item listed.*

 

Arrow down through the list of groups to select the one for which you wish to set up your advanced preferences.  You will have to start back at this step for each group for which you wish to set up the advanced mail preferences.

 

*Win10 is the only listing and it is a link. I select it with the spacebar or Enter key.This immediately lands me in the Topics page for the group.

 

2.       Do a screen reader find for “Subscription” link and activate it.

 

*With  the ‘find’ there is no ‘subscription’ visible on this page. With the JAWS touch cursor there is a ‘manage your subscriptions’ phrase on the screen but it is not actionable and the other cursors cannot even ssee it. As

there is no subscription link, I cannot advance further in the steps.

 

I hope this clarifies what I have tried- using both both IE11 and FF. Again, I appreciate your patience- especially since I lost mine with this one ;)

 

Cher

 

From: win10@win10.groups.io [mailto:win10@win10.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2017 11:49 AM
To: win10@win10.groups.io
Subject: [win10] Fine-Grained Control Over the Group Messages You Receive from Groups.io

 

Hello All,


I know that most folks participate by e-mail, but there are some features related to how your individual messages or digests are delivered to you that cannot be controlled by the e-mail interface but where you must log in to your Groups.io account and go to your subscription page.  If you have never logged in to the site and don’t have a password, please see the section on doing just that, which is toward the end of this message, first.

Using the Advanced Preferences for e-mail delivery gives you very precise control over which messages will make it to your inbox and can allow you to significantly decrease the amount of e-mail you receive from a high-traffic group while allowing you to decide what's important enough to keep an eye on.

Advanced Preferences for Your Group Subscription

 

Once you get to the main Groups.io webpage, http://groups.io, you will need to navigate to the Log in (two words) button and activate it.  Once you’ve entered your username, which is the e-mail address you’ve used to subscribe to the group(s) you routinely read, and password, then hit the Log in button beneath them you will be taken to the “Your Groups” page.

1.        Do a screen reader find for “Your Groups” which takes you to the “Your Groups” dropdown button and activate it.  Arrow down through the list of groups to select the one for which you wish to set up your advanced preferences.  You will have to start back at this step for each group for which you wish to set up the advanced mail preferences.

2.       Do a screen reader find for “Subscription” link and activate it.

3.       Just so you’re aware these are on this page, there is a radio button cluster for the regular delivery options:  All Messages, Full Featured Digest, Plain Digest, Daily Summary, Special Notices Only, No email.  This is immediately followed by two checkboxes related to using a signature:  Use signature for web posting and Use signature for e-mail posting.  These are followed by the signature edit box, should you wish to set up a signature that goes on to all your messages if you check one of the previously mentioned checkboxes.

4.      Do a screen reader find for “Advanced” which will take you to the Advanced Preferences link.  Activate it.

5.       There are three major sections to the advanced preferences:

a.       Message Selection.  There are two radio buttons:  All Messages and Following Only.  If the first is selected then every message sent to the group will be sent to you in the format you selected for e-mail delivery.   If you select Following Only then the only messages you will receive are messages you’ve chosen to follow.  There is a checkbox associated with “Following Only,” “First Message Also.”  If this checkbox is checked it serves as a selective override such that the first message in any new topic is sent to you so that you can see it  and elect to follow it with the link at the end of the message if you wish to keep monitoring this topic.

b.      Replies.  There is a checkbox, “Auto follow replies,” which will make any topic that you start yourself, or any topic in which you reply to a message, followed.  This checkbox is generally only used if you have elected to use the “Following Only” feature for message selection.

c.       Max Attachment Size (only for groups that allow attachments).  This is followed by a dropdown box that allows you to choose from four different maximum sizes for attachments to be delivered to you via e-mail.  The default is unlimited size.  If you’re using an internet service with data caps you may wish to change this.  If you choose the zero option it means that all attachments will be stripped before a message is sent to you.

6.      Find the “Save” button and activate it to save these settings.

As you can see, if you choose a setup where you have elected to get messages with the “Following Only” option combined with the “First message also” checkbox this will greatly decrease the flow of e-mail you receive while allowing you to decide for each topic whether you wish to follow it to receive further messages or not.  If you do nothing then you will not receive any additional messages for that particular topic unless you hit the link to follow it at the end of the message or reply to it, if the “auto follow replies” option was checked.

 

Getting a Password to Log in to the Groups.io Website

If you’ve subscribed via e-mail you have a Groups.io login id, your e-mail address, but you’ve never been assigned a password for the website.  To get one:

1.        In your web browser, go to the Groups.io main site login page:  https://groups.io/login

2.       Find the “Forgot your password?” link and activate it.

3.       A page with a single edit box, e-mail address will open.  Enter your e-mail address in it.

4.      Navigate to the one and only button on the page, “Email Link to Log In,” and activate it.

 

5.       Watch your e-mail, including your spam/junk box, for a message from Groups.io that will contain a link you need to activate that takes you to your Groups.io profile page where you set your password.  This is the password you’ll use to log in to any Groups.io group webpage where you wish to do something, such as changing your preferences, that requires you to be logged in to do.  You are, at this stage, actually logged in.

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Timothy
 

I just realized that the interface changes depending on whether or not the window is maximized, i.e., the interface changes depending on screen dimensions. Let me revise Brian's message with the interface I see to see if it helps you or not.

Advanced Preferences for Your Group Subscription

Once you get to the main Groups.io webpage, http://groups.io, you will need to navigate to the "Log In" (two words) link and activate it. Once you've entered your username, which is the e-mail address you've used to subscribe to the group(s) you routinely read, and password, activate the "Log In" button and you will be taken to the "Your Subscriptions" page.

  1. If your browser window is not already maximized, do so now (keyboard shortcut is Alt+Space, then X or Windows+Up-arrow).
    1. If the page is restored or minimized, then at the top of the page you'll see a button labeled "Toggle navigation", followed by a link with a graphic labeled "groups.io". This version of the interface will not allow you to edit any of the subscription preferences as far as I can tell.
    2. If the page is maximized, then the top of the page should have a link with a graphic labeled "groups.io", followed by a link labeled "Your Groups".
  2. Use your screen reader's table navigation commands to move to the first table found on this page. The columns should read "Group", "# Members", "Latest Message", and "Delivery". Move to the row for which you wish to set up your advanced preferences, navigate over to the Delivery column, and activate the link found there. You will have to start back at this step for each group for which you wish to set up the advanced mail preferences.
  3. Just so you're aware these are on this page, there is a radio button cluster for the regular delivery options: All Messages, Full Featured Digest, Plain Digest, Daily Summary, Special Notices Only, No email. This is immediately followed by two checkboxes related to using a signature: Use signature for web posting and Use signature for e-mail posting. These are followed by the signature edit box, should you wish to set up a signature that goes on to all your messages if you check one of the previously mentioned checkboxes.
  4. Use your screen reader quick navigation command to find and activate the "Advanced Preferences" heading level 3 link.
  5. There are three major sections to the advanced preferences:
    1. Message Selection. There are two radio buttons: All Messages and Following Only. If the first is selected then every message sent to the group will be sent to you in the format you selected for e-mail delivery. If you select Following Only then the only messages you will receive are messages you've chosen to follow. There is a checkbox associated with "Following Only," "First Message Also." If this checkbox is checked it serves as a selective override such that the first message in any new topic is sent to you so that you can see it and elect to follow it with the link at the end of the message if you wish to keep monitoring this topic.
    2. Replies. There is a checkbox, "Auto follow replies," which will make any topic that you start yourself, or any topic in which you reply to a message, followed. This checkbox is generally only used if you have elected to use the "Following Only" feature for message selection.
    3. Max Attachment Size (only for groups that allow attachments). This is followed by a dropdown box that allows you to choose from four different maximum sizes for attachments to be delivered to you via e-mail. The default is unlimited size. If you're using an internet service with data caps you may wish to change this. If you choose the zero option it means that all attachments will be stripped before a message is sent to you.
  6. Find the "Save" button and activate it to save these settings.

As you can see, if you choose a setup where you have elected to get messages with the "Following Only" option combined with the "First message also" checkbox this will greatly decrease the flow of e-mail you receive while allowing you to decide for each topic whether you wish to follow it to receive further messages or not. If you do nothing then you will not receive any additional messages for that particular topic unless you hit the link to follow it at the end of the message or reply to it, if the "auto follow replies" option was checked.


Christopher-Mark Gilland <clgilland07@...>
 


Ow!
 
Wo! Yikes!
 
That's an accessibility problem, if ever there be one!
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Christopher Gilland
Co-founder of Genuine Safe Haven Ministries
 

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, June 19, 2017 9:48 PM
Subject: Re: [win10] Fine-Grained Control Over the Group Messages You Receive from Groups.io

I just realized that the interface changes depending on whether or not the window is maximized, i.e., the interface changes depending on screen dimensions. Let me revise Brian's message with the interface I see to see if it helps you or not.

Advanced Preferences for Your Group Subscription

Once you get to the main Groups.io webpage, http://groups.io, you will need to navigate to the "Log In" (two words) link and activate it. Once you've entered your username, which is the e-mail address you've used to subscribe to the group(s) you routinely read, and password, activate the "Log In" button and you will be taken to the "Your Subscriptions" page.

  1. If your browser window is not already maximized, do so now (keyboard shortcut is Alt+Space, then X or Windows+Up-arrow).
    1. If the page is restored or minimized, then at the top of the page you'll see a button labeled "Toggle navigation", followed by a link with a graphic labeled "groups.io". This version of the interface will not allow you to edit any of the subscription preferences as far as I can tell.
    2. If the page is maximized, then the top of the page should have a link with a graphic labeled "groups.io", followed by a link labeled "Your Groups".
  2. Use your screen reader's table navigation commands to move to the first table found on this page. The columns should read "Group", "# Members", "Latest Message", and "Delivery". Move to the row for which you wish to set up your advanced preferences, navigate over to the Delivery column, and activate the link found there. You will have to start back at this step for each group for which you wish to set up the advanced mail preferences.
  3. Just so you're aware these are on this page, there is a radio button cluster for the regular delivery options: All Messages, Full Featured Digest, Plain Digest, Daily Summary, Special Notices Only, No email. This is immediately followed by two checkboxes related to using a signature: Use signature for web posting and Use signature for e-mail posting. These are followed by the signature edit box, should you wish to set up a signature that goes on to all your messages if you check one of the previously mentioned checkboxes.
  4. Use your screen reader quick navigation command to find and activate the "Advanced Preferences" heading level 3 link.
  5. There are three major sections to the advanced preferences:
    1. Message Selection. There are two radio buttons: All Messages and Following Only. If the first is selected then every message sent to the group will be sent to you in the format you selected for e-mail delivery. If you select Following Only then the only messages you will receive are messages you've chosen to follow. There is a checkbox associated with "Following Only," "First Message Also." If this checkbox is checked it serves as a selective override such that the first message in any new topic is sent to you so that you can see it and elect to follow it with the link at the end of the message if you wish to keep monitoring this topic.
    2. Replies. There is a checkbox, "Auto follow replies," which will make any topic that you start yourself, or any topic in which you reply to a message, followed. This checkbox is generally only used if you have elected to use the "Following Only" feature for message selection.
    3. Max Attachment Size (only for groups that allow attachments). This is followed by a dropdown box that allows you to choose from four different maximum sizes for attachments to be delivered to you via e-mail. The default is unlimited size. If you're using an internet service with data caps you may wish to change this. If you choose the zero option it means that all attachments will be stripped before a message is sent to you.
  6. Find the "Save" button and activate it to save these settings.

As you can see, if you choose a setup where you have elected to get messages with the "Following Only" option combined with the "First message also" checkbox this will greatly decrease the flow of e-mail you receive while allowing you to decide for each topic whether you wish to follow it to receive further messages or not. If you do nothing then you will not receive any additional messages for that particular topic unless you hit the link to follow it at the end of the message or reply to it, if the "auto follow replies" option was checked.


Timothy
 



If you are saying "accessibility issue" meaning use with Assistive Technologies, then it's not an issue by any means. There are two or more layouts so that smaller devices won't have a cluttered interface. I'm sure functions of the site are accessible, i.e., they can be accessed, I just don't know exactly how yet.

Timothy


Christopher-Mark Gilland <clgilland07@...>
 


Maybe saying it was an accessibility issue was going a bit too far.
 
What I meant, basically was, if you couldn't see the screen, then I'd think having it maximized vs. restored would be a nightmare if the blind individual didn't know that things changed just by resizing the window in such ways.
 
OK, it might not fit under being an A11Y or a W3C crapout, but I could still see where it would cause many many problems of confusion which very very easily through means of certain CSS stylesheets could fix a lot more effectively.
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Christopher Gilland
Co-founder of Genuine Safe Haven Ministries
 

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, June 19, 2017 10:50 PM
Subject: Re: [win10] Fine-Grained Control Over the Group Messages You Receive from Groups.io

If you are saying "accessibility issue" meaning use with Assistive Technologies, then it's not an issue by any means. There are two or more layouts so that smaller devices won't have a cluttered interface. I'm sure functions of the site are accessible, i.e., they can be accessed, I just don't know exactly how yet.

Timothy


 

Two observations:

1.  I cannot possibly test out "all situations" with regard to Groups.io subscriptions because they vary by individual user.  I am subscribed to a total of ten groups, including subgroups, so for single group subscribers it sounds like something is different.

2.  It has been mentioned, on I don't know how many topics in this group and others, that when dealing with web browsers (and other apps/applications) that it's always "safest" to be certain you have your screen maximized first.  I actually do that myself because it's just too darned easy to switch windows via point and click with the mouse if you're at the edge of one window that's just ever so slightly less than maximized and you hit the pixels for the window beneath that are just peeking out from the edge.  I had presumed that "make sure you're maximized" when working on a PC was pretty much standard operating procedure.  I will say I've made it standard operating procedure for my students because of what I've learned from this and other screen reader related groups.

I hope that Timothy's additions may have resolved the issues with screen maximization at a minimum and with finding the "Advanced Preferences" link.

I will be happy to try to replicate what happens for any individual who asks me to do so, but that may require your trusting me to access your account strictly for the purposes of testing.  I can't delete my groups to make "my world look like yours" but I'm more than willing to take a look at your world strictly for the sake of helping out as far as Groups.io goes.  If that were to occur I would ask that you change your password before involving me and changing it again after our work is complete.

I also haven't played with any of the screen readers in "tandem mode" so that would be an option, too.  But I'd expect it to be messy, at least from my end, since I'd be a complete newbie with that feature.
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Brian  Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1703, Build 15063.413

Like all weak men he laid an exaggerated stress on not changing one's mind.
   ~ Somerset Maugham

 


Timothy
 

I honestly don't think things are all that different, though I am not subscribed to any subgroups. The "Your Groups" link at the top does expand to show what groups you are subscribed to, but I have no idea on how to get to the "subscriptions" link after focusing on the group. Pressing enter on the entry for your group just puts you on the messages view, which was why I gave instructions using the table found on the "Your Subscriptions" page instead.

So to summarize, the "Your Groups" link at the top of every Groups.io page does expand to the list of groups one is subscribed to, then a horizontal rule/separator (not able to be activated), and finally a link labeled "Manage My Subscriptions". Activating that link will land you on "Your Subscriptions" page, which is where the table I referred to is located.

If all comes to fail, one can just go to:
https://groups.io/g/[groupName]/editsub
where [groupName] is the name of the group, e.g., https://groups.io/g/win10/editsub.

Timothy


 

Timothy,

           I can't explain why, once you're on the Messages page, doing a search for "Subscription" doesn't whip you right over to the "Subscription" link that's in the control bar on the left hand side of that page (along with all the other control links that are accessible to you as a user, but weren't pertinent).  If you have more than one group using the "Your Groups" control to transition between them allows you to stay on the same page you're on no matter what group you're looking at.  I tested those steps out, using NVDA on all three of the major web browsers: IE11, Chrome, & Firefox, and I cannot get them to fail.  They work each and every time and without being there to see what someone else is doing I can't fathom how they're failing for them if they're followed to the letter.

           That URL list you give is not rock-solid consistent and how I wish it was.  The vast majority of Groups.io groups match that formula but it depends on precisely when they were created.  Groups.io was in very late beta stage when it "hit the air" and things did change.  It's worth trying that route, though, and seeing if you land where you expect to.

            In any event, my main point is making people aware that there are some very specific controls over messages that can only be tweaked by the web interface.  Trying to do some of the "If this, then do you want that sub-option or that other sub-option," is just not easily feasible via e-mail.
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Brian  Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1703, Build 15063.413

Like all weak men he laid an exaggerated stress on not changing one's mind.
   ~ Somerset Maugham

 


Don & Cher
 

This was the hidden problem! I still had problems with IE which froze immediately when maximized both times I tried it. However, FF is playing nice, thank you J The only thing I cannot see in your message  below is a link to indicate that you want to follow the topic. Does the ‘follow link’ only show up after the advanced preferences are selected and saved?

 

IE comes up already maximized for me- so, you are absolutely right that a blind user cannot detect that the yahoo groups site is not auto maximizing.

 

Your directions should be archived, seriously.

 

Cher

 

 

 

From: win10@win10.groups.io [mailto:win10@win10.groups.io] On Behalf Of Timothy via Groups.Io
Sent: Monday, June 19, 2017 9:48 PM
To: win10@win10.groups.io
Subject: Re: [win10] Fine-Grained Control Over the Group Messages You Receive from Groups.io

 

I just realized that the interface changes depending on whether or not the window is maximized, i.e., the interface changes depending on screen dimensions. Let me revise Brian's message with the interface I see to see if it helps you or not.

Advanced Preferences for Your Group Subscription

Once you get to the main Groups.io webpage, http://groups.io, you will need to navigate to the "Log In" (two words) link and activate it. Once you've entered your username, which is the e-mail address you've used to subscribe to the group(s) you routinely read, and password, activate the "Log In" button and you will be taken to the "Your Subscriptions" page.

  1. If your browser window is not already maximized, do so now (keyboard shortcut is Alt+Space, then X or Windows+Up-arrow).
    1. If the page is restored or minimized, then at the top of the page you'll see a button labeled "Toggle navigation", followed by a link with a graphic labeled "groups.io". This version of the interface will not allow you to edit any of the subscription preferences as far as I can tell.
    2. If the page is maximized, then the top of the page should have a link with a graphic labeled "groups.io", followed by a link labeled "Your Groups".
  2. Use your screen reader's table navigation commands to move to the first table found on this page. The columns should read "Group", "# Members", "Latest Message", and "Delivery". Move to the row for which you wish to set up your advanced preferences, navigate over to the Delivery column, and activate the link found there. You will have to start back at this step for each group for which you wish to set up the advanced mail preferences.
  3. Just so you're aware these are on this page, there is a radio button cluster for the regular delivery options: All Messages, Full Featured Digest, Plain Digest, Daily Summary, Special Notices Only, No email. This is immediately followed by two checkboxes related to using a signature: Use signature for web posting and Use signature for e-mail posting. These are followed by the signature edit box, should you wish to set up a signature that goes on to all your messages if you check one of the previously mentioned checkboxes.
  4. Use your screen reader quick navigation command to find and activate the "Advanced Preferences" heading level 3 link.
  5. There are three major sections to the advanced preferences:
    1. Message Selection. There are two radio buttons: All Messages and Following Only. If the first is selected then every message sent to the group will be sent to you in the format you selected for e-mail delivery. If you select Following Only then the only messages you will receive are messages you've chosen to follow. There is a checkbox associated with "Following Only," "First Message Also." If this checkbox is checked it serves as a selective override such that the first message in any new topic is sent to you so that you can see it and elect to follow it with the link at the end of the message if you wish to keep monitoring this topic.
    2. Replies. There is a checkbox, "Auto follow replies," which will make any topic that you start yourself, or any topic in which you reply to a message, followed. This checkbox is generally only used if you have elected to use the "Following Only" feature for message selection.
    3. Max Attachment Size (only for groups that allow attachments). This is followed by a dropdown box that allows you to choose from four different maximum sizes for attachments to be delivered to you via e-mail. The default is unlimited size. If you're using an internet service with data caps you may wish to change this. If you choose the zero option it means that all attachments will be stripped before a message is sent to you.
  6. Find the "Save" button and activate it to save these settings.

As you can see, if you choose a setup where you have elected to get messages with the "Following Only" option combined with the "First message also" checkbox this will greatly decrease the flow of e-mail you receive while allowing you to decide for each topic whether you wish to follow it to receive further messages or not. If you do nothing then you will not receive any additional messages for that particular topic unless you hit the link to follow it at the end of the message or reply to it, if the "auto follow replies" option was checked.


Don & Cher
 

Dear Brian- I was able to follow Tim’s instructions on FF, but although I have IE set to come up maximized, the yahoo groups page was not and I as a blind  user had no clue. Also, my version of IE11 froze all three times I maximized the page manually- so what you are saying about browsers, apps, etc. is certainly validated.

 

Cher

.

 

From: win10@win10.groups.io [mailto:win10@win10.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Monday, June 19, 2017 11:32 PM
To: win10@win10.groups.io
Subject: Re: [win10] Fine-Grained Control Over the Group Messages You Receive from Groups.io

 

Two observations:

1.  I cannot possibly test out "all situations" with regard to Groups.io subscriptions because they vary by individual user.  I am subscribed to a total of ten groups, including subgroups, so for single group subscribers it sounds like something is different.

2.  It has been mentioned, on I don't know how many topics in this group and others, that when dealing with web browsers (and other apps/applications) that it's always "safest" to be certain you have your screen maximized first.  I actually do that myself because it's just too darned easy to switch windows via point and click with the mouse if you're at the edge of one window that's just ever so slightly less than maximized and you hit the pixels for the window beneath that are just peeking out from the edge.  I had presumed that "make sure you're maximized" when working on a PC was pretty much standard operating procedure.  I will say I've made it standard operating procedure for my students because of what I've learned from this and other screen reader related groups.

I hope that Timothy's additions may have resolved the issues with screen maximization at a minimum and with finding the "Advanced Preferences" link.

I will be happy to try to replicate what happens for any individual who asks me to do so, but that may require your trusting me to access your account strictly for the purposes of testing.  I can't delete my groups to make "my world look like yours" but I'm more than willing to take a look at your world strictly for the sake of helping out as far as Groups.io goes.  If that were to occur I would ask that you change your password before involving me and changing it again after our work is complete.

I also haven't played with any of the screen readers in "tandem mode" so that would be an option, too.  But I'd expect it to be messy, at least from my end, since I'd be a complete newbie with that feature.
--
Brian  Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1703, Build 15063.413

Like all weak men he laid an exaggerated stress on not changing one's mind.
   ~ Somerset Maugham