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Dennis Brown
 

The Windows Calculator is difficult to use with JAWS, since the focus keeps getting moved from the results window.

Any free speech friendly calculators out there?

 




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Hi,

Is this specific to JAWS and Calculator, or does this happen with other screen readers, too? If it doesn’t, then I suggest asking Vispero for a potential fix while looking for alternatives.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: win10@win10.groups.io <win10@win10.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dennis Brown
Sent: Tuesday, February 23, 2021 11:29 AM
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The Windows Calculator is difficult to use with JAWS, since the focus keeps getting moved from the results window.

Any free speech friendly calculators out there?

 

 


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Brad Snyder
 

Have you tried using the JAWS TouchCursor when using the windows calculator. You might find you have better results this way.

- Brad -

On Feb 23, 2021, at 13:28, Dennis Brown <dennistbrown@...> wrote:



The Windows Calculator is difficult to use with JAWS, since the focus keeps getting moved from the results window.

Any free speech friendly calculators out there?

 




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Jim Wohlgamuth
 

Hello There!

I seem to be having issues with Jaws and the Window's calculator..? I turn off Jaws, and start Narrator or NVDA and the calculator appears to function fine. I have noticed this issue for quite some time now. Just thought I would let folks know that I am having similar issues.  Catch Ya Later!

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On 23-Feb-21 14:36, Joseph Lee wrote:

Hi,

Is this specific to JAWS and Calculator, or does this happen with other screen readers, too? If it doesn’t, then I suggest asking Vispero for a potential fix while looking for alternatives.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

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The Windows Calculator is difficult to use with JAWS, since the focus keeps getting moved from the results window.

Any free speech friendly calculators out there?

 

 


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Loy
 


I find that calculator works as it should with JAWS 2020, but with JAWS 2021 it is not working correctly. I believe something happened with the latest update to JAWS 2021 I think I will send a note to Freedom Scientific about this.
 

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Subject: Re: [win10] Standard Calculator

Have you tried using the JAWS TouchCursor when using the windows calculator. You might find you have better results this way.

- Brad -

On Feb 23, 2021, at 13:28, Dennis Brown <dennistbrown@...> wrote:



The Windows Calculator is difficult to use with JAWS, since the focus keeps getting moved from the results window.

Any free speech friendly calculators out there?




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Brian Vogel <britechguy@...>
 

On Tue, Feb 23, 2021 at 02:28 PM, Dennis Brown wrote:
Any free speech friendly calculators out there?
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I still prefer "the classic calculator" over the new Windows 10 version.  I long ago downloaded the installer for Microsoft Calculator Plus (ZIP file), and it's what I use.

The link is to the installer on my Google Drive.  I have no idea if it's available from Microsoft anymore, but I had so much trouble finding it when I actually did on their site a couple of years ago I archived the installer (and have used it since).
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042

Journalism 101:  If someone says it’s raining and another person says it’s dry, it’s not your job to quote them both. It’s your job to look out the f**king window and find out which is true.

      ~ Jonathan Foster (attributed)


 

Hi,

Hypothetically, folks can make it resemble the old Calculator (in fact, the old Calculator ships with Windows 10 Enterprise LTSC and Server) by modifying the app’s source code (it’s open-source now), but it is highly unlikely that Microsoft might be willing to take that suggestion into account as it is championing more modern UI design. To be honest with you all, Calculator is perhaps one of the most intriguing app to write workarounds for screen readers – I myself struggled with it years ago, and suffice to say that it has become more interesting to write workarounds for this app, particularly since a huge app redesign in 2019. Calculator is also one of these apps that demonstrate a need to keep up with things on a regular basis – things can change anytime, especially when anyone can submit changes to the app and Microsoft accepts them.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: win10@win10.groups.io <win10@win10.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Tuesday, February 23, 2021 3:18 PM
To: win10@win10.groups.io
Subject: Re: [win10] Standard Calculator

 

On Tue, Feb 23, 2021 at 02:28 PM, Dennis Brown wrote:

Any free speech friendly calculators out there?

-
I still prefer "the classic calculator" over the new Windows 10 version.  I long ago downloaded the installer for Microsoft Calculator Plus (ZIP file), and it's what I use.

The link is to the installer on my Google Drive.  I have no idea if it's available from Microsoft anymore, but I had so much trouble finding it when I actually did on their site a couple of years ago I archived the installer (and have used it since).
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042

Journalism 101:  If someone says it’s raining and another person says it’s dry, it’s not your job to quote them both. It’s your job to look out the f**king window and find out which is true.

      ~ Jonathan Foster (attributed)


Brian Vogel <britechguy@...>
 

On Tue, Feb 23, 2021 at 06:29 PM, Joseph Lee wrote:
Calculator is also one of these apps that demonstrate a need to keep up with things on a regular basis – things can change anytime, especially when anyone can submit changes to the app and Microsoft accepts them.
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Which, to be perfectly honest, is one of the reasons I prefer Microsoft Calculator Plus.  It does exactly what I need it to do (including the classic method of copying the result of a calculation) and it never changes.

I'm the last person you'd expect to make even a tiny complaint about change, but when it comes to a calculator, I do not now nor can I ever anticipate needing more bells and whistles.

By the way, it looks like I zipped up the executable, so it will run as a portable program.  I have the MSI installer, too.
 
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Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042

Journalism 101:  If someone says it’s raining and another person says it’s dry, it’s not your job to quote them both. It’s your job to look out the f**king window and find out which is true.

      ~ Jonathan Foster (attributed)


Monte Single
 

Hi,

 

I use the win10 calculator sometimes; just   doing the four basic functions.

How is the calculator in your link better?

 

From: win10@win10.groups.io <win10@win10.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: February 23, 2021 5:18 PM
To: win10@win10.groups.io
Subject: Re: [win10] Standard Calculator

 

On Tue, Feb 23, 2021 at 02:28 PM, Dennis Brown wrote:

Any free speech friendly calculators out there?

-
I still prefer "the classic calculator" over the new Windows 10 version.  I long ago downloaded the installer for Microsoft Calculator Plus (ZIP file), and it's what I use.

The link is to the installer on my Google Drive.  I have no idea if it's available from Microsoft anymore, but I had so much trouble finding it when I actually did on their site a couple of years ago I archived the installer (and have used it since).
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042

Journalism 101:  If someone says it’s raining and another person says it’s dry, it’s not your job to quote them both. It’s your job to look out the f**king window and find out which is true.

      ~ Jonathan Foster (attributed)


Brian Vogel <britechguy@...>
 

On Tue, Feb 23, 2021 at 07:06 PM, Monte Single wrote:
How is the calculator in your link better?
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Better is a matter of opinion.  I'm not saying it's necessarily better, but given what Mr. Brown asked for, it definitely is.

I don't know how to describe it, really, other than to say if you liked the calculator in Windows 7 and earlier you'll like MS Calculator Plus.  You can change the views for it between standard, scientific, and conversion and choose to have any one of those in the classic view (very Win7 like) versus something that looks more modern (which likely makes no difference for a blind user from a usability standpoint, but the non-classic view is anathema to me - much harder to read overall).

And, as I said, it doesn't change.  There's no need for a screen reader developer "keep up" for it in any way.  It's conceivably possible that backward compatibility for a screen reader to access to it could occur, but I don't see that happening anytime soon.
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Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042

Journalism 101:  If someone says it’s raining and another person says it’s dry, it’s not your job to quote them both. It’s your job to look out the f**king window and find out which is true.

      ~ Jonathan Foster (attributed)


Monte Single
 

Hi Brian,

 

If I install the older calculator on my win10 pc,  how will I know which is which?

Will one of the calculators becomethe default one.

 

 

 

From: win10@win10.groups.io <win10@win10.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: February 23, 2021 6:12 PM
To: win10@win10.groups.io
Subject: Re: [win10] Standard Calculator

 

On Tue, Feb 23, 2021 at 07:06 PM, Monte Single wrote:

How is the calculator in your link better?

-
Better is a matter of opinion.  I'm not saying it's necessarily better, but given what Mr. Brown asked for, it definitely is.

I don't know how to describe it, really, other than to say if you liked the calculator in Windows 7 and earlier you'll like MS Calculator Plus.  You can change the views for it between standard, scientific, and conversion and choose to have any one of those in the classic view (very Win7 like) versus something that looks more modern (which likely makes no difference for a blind user from a usability standpoint, but the non-classic view is anathema to me - much harder to read overall).

And, as I said, it doesn't change.  There's no need for a screen reader developer "keep up" for it in any way.  It's conceivably possible that backward compatibility for a screen reader to access to it could occur, but I don't see that happening anytime soon.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042

Journalism 101:  If someone says it’s raining and another person says it’s dry, it’s not your job to quote them both. It’s your job to look out the f**king window and find out which is true.

      ~ Jonathan Foster (attributed)


Loy
 


Hi Bryan,
I downloaded the file and ran it and can't find any way to choose a type of calculator.It comes up with the options to convert from a list of item to another list of items. could you tell me how to find the options to choose standard calculator? 

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Sent: Tuesday, February 23, 2021 6:17 PM
Subject: Re: [win10] Standard Calculator

On Tue, Feb 23, 2021 at 02:28 PM, Dennis Brown wrote:
Any free speech friendly calculators out there?
-
I still prefer "the classic calculator" over the new Windows 10 version.  I long ago downloaded the installer for Microsoft Calculator Plus (ZIP file), and it's what I use.

The link is to the installer on my Google Drive.  I have no idea if it's available from Microsoft anymore, but I had so much trouble finding it when I actually did on their site a couple of years ago I archived the installer (and have used it since).
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042

Journalism 101:  If someone says it’s raining and another person says it’s dry, it’s not your job to quote them both. It’s your job to look out the f**king window and find out which is true.

      ~ Jonathan Foster (attributed)


Brian Vogel <britechguy@...>
 

A portable program NEVER becomes a default without a lot of gyrations to make it so.  Thus, plonking CalcPlus.exe into a folder, and placing a shortcut to it on your desktop or placing it in your Quick Launch bar has no effect whatsoever on the built-in Windows 10 calculator.  If something would cause the Win10 calculator to automatically trigger it still would.  I never do anything but fire up a calculator when I want it.

This program is painfully simple, and has three menus:

1. Edit - which contains a copy and paste option (and those can be invoked via CTRL+C and CTRL+V to copy something from or paste it to the main result/value edit box).

2. View - broken in to two sections, the first of which is a one of three choice for calculator type:  Standard, Scientific, or Conversion and the second of which includes toggles for digit grouping and classic view.

3. Help - Self-Explanatory and has two items - Help Topics and About Calculator Plus.

All can be accessed via keyboard shortcuts, ALT+E, ALT+V, and ALT+H respectively.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042

Journalism 101:  If someone says it’s raining and another person says it’s dry, it’s not your job to quote them both. It’s your job to look out the f**king window and find out which is true.

      ~ Jonathan Foster (attributed)


David Goldfield <david.goldfield@...>
 

Hi. Winaero Tweaker also has a link to download the classic calculator app.

https://winaero.com/download-old-calculator-for-windows-10-from-windows-7-or-windows-8/

David Goldfield,
Blindness Assistive Technology Specialist
JAWS Certified, 2019

WWW.DavidGoldfield.org
On 2/23/2021 7:48 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:

A portable program NEVER becomes a default without a lot of gyrations to make it so.  Thus, plonking CalcPlus.exe into a folder, and placing a shortcut to it on your desktop or placing it in your Quick Launch bar has no effect whatsoever on the built-in Windows 10 calculator.  If something would cause the Win10 calculator to automatically trigger it still would.  I never do anything but fire up a calculator when I want it.

This program is painfully simple, and has three menus:

1. Edit - which contains a copy and paste option (and those can be invoked via CTRL+C and CTRL+V to copy something from or paste it to the main result/value edit box).

2. View - broken in to two sections, the first of which is a one of three choice for calculator type:  Standard, Scientific, or Conversion and the second of which includes toggles for digit grouping and classic view.

3. Help - Self-Explanatory and has two items - Help Topics and About Calculator Plus.

All can be accessed via keyboard shortcuts, ALT+E, ALT+V, and ALT+H respectively.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042

Journalism 101:  If someone says it’s raining and another person says it’s dry, it’s not your job to quote them both. It’s your job to look out the f**king window and find out which is true.

      ~ Jonathan Foster (attributed)



Ashleigh Piccinino
 

I don’t know about Windows ones, but if you use an iPhone, the calculator app should be useful/I’ve used it a time or two. Sorry that JAWS is giving your head achy thoughts/focus doesn’t shift around when I use the calculator, so ...


On Feb 23, 2021, at 1:28 PM, Dennis Brown <dennistbrown@...> wrote:



The Windows Calculator is difficult to use with JAWS, since the focus keeps getting moved from the results window.

Any free speech friendly calculators out there?

 




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What exactly are your issues, I use the Calculator every day on multiple computers all with Jaws 2021 and don't recall having any issues.

 

From: win10@win10.groups.io <win10@win10.groups.io> On Behalf Of Loy
Sent: Tuesday, February 23, 2021 2:49 PM
To: win10@win10.groups.io
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I find that calculator works as it should with JAWS 2020, but with JAWS 2021 it is not working correctly. I believe something happened with the latest update to JAWS 2021 I think I will send a note to Freedom Scientific about this.

 

----- Original Message -----

From: Brad Snyder

Sent: Tuesday, February 23, 2021 2:48 PM

Subject: Re: [win10] Standard Calculator

 

Have you tried using the JAWS TouchCursor when using the windows calculator. You might find you have better results this way.

- Brad -


On Feb 23, 2021, at 13:28, Dennis Brown <dennistbrown@...> wrote:



The Windows Calculator is difficult to use with JAWS, since the focus keeps getting moved from the results window.

Any free speech friendly calculators out there?

 


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Sarah k Alawami
 

Same here. I use the windows calculator to help me study for my classes and I can copy answers to the clipboard all the time using the contextual menu. I’m not an expert, but what are you having trouble with?

 

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Sent: Friday, February 26, 2021 8:42 AM
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What exactly are your issues, I use the Calculator every day on multiple computers all with Jaws 2021 and don't recall having any issues.

 

From: win10@win10.groups.io <win10@win10.groups.io> On Behalf Of Loy
Sent: Tuesday, February 23, 2021 2:49 PM
To: win10@win10.groups.io
Subject: Re: [win10] Standard Calculator

 

I find that calculator works as it should with JAWS 2020, but with JAWS 2021 it is not working correctly. I believe something happened with the latest update to JAWS 2021 I think I will send a note to Freedom Scientific about this.

 

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Tuesday, February 23, 2021 2:48 PM

Subject: Re: [win10] Standard Calculator

 

Have you tried using the JAWS TouchCursor when using the windows calculator. You might find you have better results this way.

- Brad -


On Feb 23, 2021, at 13:28, Dennis Brown <dennistbrown@...> wrote:



The Windows Calculator is difficult to use with JAWS, since the focus keeps getting moved from the results window.

Any free speech friendly calculators out there?

 


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Jason White
 


On 23/2/21 2:28 pm, Dennis Brown wrote:
Any free speech friendly calculators out there?
You could try SageMath
I know it's much more than a calculator. It should work well from the Windows command prompt or PowerShell.


JM Casey
 

Oh wow, this looks pretty nifty.

 

 

 

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Sent: February 26, 2021 07:04 PM
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On 23/2/21 2:28 pm, Dennis Brown wrote:

Any free speech friendly calculators out there?

You could try SageMath
I know it's much more than a calculator. It should work well from the Windows command prompt or PowerShell.