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July 2020 cumulative updates: KB4565503/19041.388, KB4565483/18363.959 #KBAlert


 

Hi all,

 

Note: this is the last regular KB alert for Version 1909 (November 2019 Update). The next cumulative update announcement for this feature update will be sent next year when consumer support ends.

 

July 2020 regular cumulative update is now available for 1909 and 2004:

 

Changelog:

 

Version 2004 (KB4565503/build 19041.388):

• Improves security in the Microsoft Store.

• Updates to improve security when using input devices (such as a mouse, keyboard, or stylus).

• Updates to improve security when Windows performs basic operations.

• Updates for storing and managing files.

• Updates an issue that might cause certain games and applications to have visual distortion when resizing in windowed mode or switching from full screen to window mode. 

• Updates to improve security when using Internet Explorer and Microsoft Edge Legacy.

• Updates an issue that might prevent some applications from printing documents that contain graphics or large files.

• Updates an issue that might prevent you from connecting to OneDrive using the OneDrive app.

 

Details:

• Addresses an issue in certain apps that use the ImeMode property to control Input Method Editor (IME) mode in Windows 10, version 2004 (the May 2020 Update). For example, this issue prevents input mode from automatically switching to Kanji or Hiragana. For more information, see KB4564002 and the blog post, Getting the May 2020 Update Ready for Release - UPDATED.

• Addresses an issue that might prevent you from using PowerShell to change the system locale on Server Core platforms.

• Addresses an issue that might cause certain games and applications to have visual distortion when resizing in windowed mode or switching from full screen to window mode. 

• Addresses an issue that might cause lsass.exe to fail with the error message, “A critical system process, C:\WINDOWS\system32\lsass.exe, failed with status code c0000008. The machine must now be restarted."

• Addresses an issue that might prevent some applications from printing documents that contain graphics or large files after installing Windows Updates released June 9, 2020.

• Addresses an issue that might prevent you from connecting to OneDrive using the OneDrive app. This issue occurs on some older devices or on devices that have older apps, which use legacy file system filter drivers. As a result, this might prevent these devices from downloading new files or opening previously synced or downloaded files.

• Security updates to the Microsoft Scripting Engine, Windows App Platform and Frameworks, the Microsoft Store, Windows Graphics, Windows Input and Composition, Windows Media, Windows Shell, Windows Fundamentals, Windows Management, Windows Kernel, Windows Hybrid Cloud Networking, Windows Storage and Filesystems, Windows Update Stack, Windows MSXML, Windows File Server and Clustering, Windows Remote Desktop, Internet Explorer, Microsoft Edge Legacy, and the Microsoft JET Database Engine.

 

Version 1909 (KB4565483/build 18363.959):

• Updates to improve security when using Internet Explorer and Microsoft Edge Legacy.

• Updates to improve security when using Microsoft Office products.

• Updates to improve security when using input devices (such as a mouse, keyboard, or stylus).

• Improves security in the Microsoft Store.

• Updates to improve security when Windows performs basic operations.

• Updates for storing and managing files.

• Updates an issue that might prevent some applications from printing documents that contain graphics or large files.

 

Details:

• Addresses an issue with loading Browser Helper Objects in Microsoft Edge IE mode.

• Addresses an issue that might cause lsass.exe to fail with the error message, “A critical system process, C:\WINDOWS\system32\lsass.exe, failed with status code c0000008. The machine must now be restarted."

• Addresses an issue that might prevent some applications from printing documents that contain graphics or large files after installing Windows Updates released June 9, 2020.

• Security updates to Internet Explorer, the Microsoft Scripting Engine, Windows App Platform and Frameworks, Windows Apps, Microsoft Graphics Component, Windows Input and Composition, Windows Media, Windows Shell, the Microsoft Store, Microsoft Edge Legacy, Windows Cloud Infrastructure, Windows Fundamentals, Windows Management, Windows Kernel, Windows Storage and Filesystems, Windows Update Stack , Windows MSXML, Windows File Server and Clustering, Windows Remote Desktop, and the Microsoft JET Database Engine. 

 

Cheers,

Joseph


inamuddin khan
 

This update took me about one hour to install.

With regards from Inamuddin with the Skype ID:

Charlsdarwin1

 

 

                                Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Joseph Lee
Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2020 10:15 PM
To: win10@win10.groups.io
Subject: [Special] [win10] July 2020 cumulative updates: KB4565503/19041.388, KB4565483/18363.959 #KBAlert

 

Hi all,

 

Note: this is the last regular KB alert for Version 1909 (November 2019 Update). The next cumulative update announcement for this feature update will be sent next year when consumer support ends.

 

July 2020 regular cumulative update is now available for 1909 and 2004:

 

Changelog:

 

Version 2004 (KB4565503/build 19041.388):

• Improves security in the Microsoft Store.

• Updates to improve security when using input devices (such as a mouse, keyboard, or stylus).

• Updates to improve security when Windows performs basic operations.

• Updates for storing and managing files.

• Updates an issue that might cause certain games and applications to have visual distortion when resizing in windowed mode or switching from full screen to window mode. 

• Updates to improve security when using Internet Explorer and Microsoft Edge Legacy.

• Updates an issue that might prevent some applications from printing documents that contain graphics or large files.

• Updates an issue that might prevent you from connecting to OneDrive using the OneDrive app.

 

Details:

• Addresses an issue in certain apps that use the ImeMode property to control Input Method Editor (IME) mode in Windows 10, version 2004 (the May 2020 Update). For example, this issue prevents input mode from automatically switching to Kanji or Hiragana. For more information, see KB4564002 and the blog post, Getting the May 2020 Update Ready for Release - UPDATED.

• Addresses an issue that might prevent you from using PowerShell to change the system locale on Server Core platforms.

• Addresses an issue that might cause certain games and applications to have visual distortion when resizing in windowed mode or switching from full screen to window mode. 

• Addresses an issue that might cause lsass.exe to fail with the error message, “A critical system process, C:\WINDOWS\system32\lsass.exe, failed with status code c0000008. The machine must now be restarted."

• Addresses an issue that might prevent some applications from printing documents that contain graphics or large files after installing Windows Updates released June 9, 2020.

• Addresses an issue that might prevent you from connecting to OneDrive using the OneDrive app. This issue occurs on some older devices or on devices that have older apps, which use legacy file system filter drivers. As a result, this might prevent these devices from downloading new files or opening previously synced or downloaded files.

• Security updates to the Microsoft Scripting Engine, Windows App Platform and Frameworks, the Microsoft Store, Windows Graphics, Windows Input and Composition, Windows Media, Windows Shell, Windows Fundamentals, Windows Management, Windows Kernel, Windows Hybrid Cloud Networking, Windows Storage and Filesystems, Windows Update Stack, Windows MSXML, Windows File Server and Clustering, Windows Remote Desktop, Internet Explorer, Microsoft Edge Legacy, and the Microsoft JET Database Engine.

 

Version 1909 (KB4565483/build 18363.959):

• Updates to improve security when using Internet Explorer and Microsoft Edge Legacy.

• Updates to improve security when using Microsoft Office products.

• Updates to improve security when using input devices (such as a mouse, keyboard, or stylus).

• Improves security in the Microsoft Store.

• Updates to improve security when Windows performs basic operations.

• Updates for storing and managing files.

• Updates an issue that might prevent some applications from printing documents that contain graphics or large files.

 

Details:

• Addresses an issue with loading Browser Helper Objects in Microsoft Edge IE mode.

• Addresses an issue that might cause lsass.exe to fail with the error message, “A critical system process, C:\WINDOWS\system32\lsass.exe, failed with status code c0000008. The machine must now be restarted."

• Addresses an issue that might prevent some applications from printing documents that contain graphics or large files after installing Windows Updates released June 9, 2020.

• Security updates to Internet Explorer, the Microsoft Scripting Engine, Windows App Platform and Frameworks, Windows Apps, Microsoft Graphics Component, Windows Input and Composition, Windows Media, Windows Shell, the Microsoft Store, Microsoft Edge Legacy, Windows Cloud Infrastructure, Windows Fundamentals, Windows Management, Windows Kernel, Windows Storage and Filesystems, Windows Update Stack , Windows MSXML, Windows File Server and Clustering, Windows Remote Desktop, and the Microsoft JET Database Engine. 

 

Cheers,

Joseph

 


Kevin Cussick
 

Only took about 10 minutes here.

On 14/07/2020 20:49, inamuddin khan wrote:
This update took me about one hour to install.
With regards from Inamuddin with the Skype ID:
Charlsdarwin1
                                Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows 10
*From: *Joseph Lee <mailto:joseph.lee22590@gmail.com>
*Sent: *Tuesday, July 14, 2020 10:15 PM
*To: *win10@win10.groups.io <mailto:win10@win10.groups.io>
*Subject: *[Special] [win10] July 2020 cumulative updates: KB4565503/19041.388, KB4565483/18363.959 #KBAlert
Hi all,
Note: this is the last regular KB alert for Version 1909 (November 2019 Update). The next cumulative update announcement for this feature update will be sent next year when consumer support ends.
July 2020 regular cumulative update is now available for 1909 and 2004:
* Version 2004:
https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/4565503/windows-10-update-kb4565503
* Version 1909:
https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/4565483/windows-10-update-kb4565483
Changelog:
Version 2004 (KB4565503/build 19041.388):
• Improves security in the Microsoft Store.
• Updates to improve security when using input devices (such as a mouse, keyboard, or stylus).
• Updates to improve security when Windows performs basic operations.
• Updates for storing and managing files.
• Updates an issue that might cause certain games and applications to have visual distortion when resizing in windowed mode or switching from full screen to window mode.
• Updates to improve security when using Internet Explorer and Microsoft Edge Legacy.
• Updates an issue that might prevent some applications from printing documents that contain graphics or large files.
• Updates an issue that might prevent you from connecting to OneDrive using the OneDrive app.
Details:
• Addresses an issue in certain apps that use the ImeMode property to control Input Method Editor (IME) mode in Windows 10, version 2004 (the May 2020 Update). For example, this issue prevents input mode from automatically switching to Kanji or Hiragana. For more information, see KB4564002 and the blog post, Getting the May 2020 Update Ready for Release - UPDATED.
• Addresses an issue that might prevent you from using PowerShell to change the system locale on Server Core platforms.
• Addresses an issue that might cause certain games and applications to have visual distortion when resizing in windowed mode or switching from full screen to window mode.
• Addresses an issue that might cause lsass.exe to fail with the error message, “A critical system process, C:\WINDOWS\system32\lsass.exe, failed with status code c0000008. The machine must now be restarted."
• Addresses an issue that might prevent some applications from printing documents that contain graphics or large files after installing Windows Updates released June 9, 2020.
• Addresses an issue that might prevent you from connecting to OneDrive using the OneDrive app. This issue occurs on some older devices or on devices that have older apps, which use legacy file system filter drivers. As a result, this might prevent these devices from downloading new files or opening previously synced or downloaded files.
• Security updates to the Microsoft Scripting Engine, Windows App Platform and Frameworks, the Microsoft Store, Windows Graphics, Windows Input and Composition, Windows Media, Windows Shell, Windows Fundamentals, Windows Management, Windows Kernel, Windows Hybrid Cloud Networking, Windows Storage and Filesystems, Windows Update Stack, Windows MSXML, Windows File Server and Clustering, Windows Remote Desktop, Internet Explorer, Microsoft Edge Legacy, and the Microsoft JET Database Engine.
Version 1909 (KB4565483/build 18363.959):
• Updates to improve security when using Internet Explorer and Microsoft Edge Legacy.
• Updates to improve security when using Microsoft Office products.
• Updates to improve security when using input devices (such as a mouse, keyboard, or stylus).
• Improves security in the Microsoft Store.
• Updates to improve security when Windows performs basic operations.
• Updates for storing and managing files.
• Updates an issue that might prevent some applications from printing documents that contain graphics or large files.
Details:
• Addresses an issue with loading Browser Helper Objects in Microsoft Edge IE mode.
• Addresses an issue that might cause lsass.exe to fail with the error message, “A critical system process, C:\WINDOWS\system32\lsass.exe, failed with status code c0000008. The machine must now be restarted."
• Addresses an issue that might prevent some applications from printing documents that contain graphics or large files after installing Windows Updates released June 9, 2020.
• Security updates to Internet Explorer, the Microsoft Scripting Engine, Windows App Platform and Frameworks, Windows Apps, Microsoft Graphics Component, Windows Input and Composition, Windows Media, Windows Shell, the Microsoft Store, Microsoft Edge Legacy, Windows Cloud Infrastructure, Windows Fundamentals, Windows Management, Windows Kernel, Windows Storage and Filesystems, Windows Update Stack , Windows MSXML, Windows File Server and Clustering, Windows Remote Desktop, and the Microsoft JET Database Engine.
Cheers,
Joseph


Sarah k Alawami
 

On 15 Jul 2020, at 12:54, Kevin Cussick via groups.io wrote:

Only took about 10 minutes here.

On 14/07/2020 20:49, inamuddin khan wrote:

This update took me about one hour to install.

With regards from Inamuddin with the Skype ID:

Charlsdarwin1

                                Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows 10

*From: *Joseph Lee <mailto:joseph.lee22590@...>
*Sent: *Tuesday, July 14, 2020 10:15 PM
*To: *win10@win10.groups.io <mailto:win10@win10.groups.io>
*Subject: *[Special] [win10] July 2020 cumulative updates: KB4565503/19041.388, KB4565483/18363.959 #KBAlert

Hi all,

Note: this is the last regular KB alert for Version 1909 (November 2019 Update). The next cumulative update announcement for this feature update will be sent next year when consumer support ends.

July 2020 regular cumulative update is now available for 1909 and 2004:

* Version 2004:
https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/4565503/windows-10-update-kb4565503
* Version 1909:
https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/4565483/windows-10-update-kb4565483

Changelog:

Version 2004 (KB4565503/build 19041.388):

• Improves security in the Microsoft Store.

• Updates to improve security when using input devices (such as a mouse, keyboard, or stylus).

• Updates to improve security when Windows performs basic operations.

• Updates for storing and managing files.

• Updates an issue that might cause certain games and applications to have visual distortion when resizing in windowed mode or switching from full screen to window mode.

• Updates to improve security when using Internet Explorer and Microsoft Edge Legacy.

• Updates an issue that might prevent some applications from printing documents that contain graphics or large files.

• Updates an issue that might prevent you from connecting to OneDrive using the OneDrive app.

Details:

• Addresses an issue in certain apps that use the ImeMode property to control Input Method Editor (IME) mode in Windows 10, version 2004 (the May 2020 Update). For example, this issue prevents input mode from automatically switching to Kanji or Hiragana. For more information, see KB4564002 and the blog post, Getting the May 2020 Update Ready for Release - UPDATED.

• Addresses an issue that might prevent you from using PowerShell to change the system locale on Server Core platforms.

• Addresses an issue that might cause certain games and applications to have visual distortion when resizing in windowed mode or switching from full screen to window mode.

• Addresses an issue that might cause lsass.exe to fail with the error message, “A critical system process, C:\WINDOWS\system32\lsass.exe, failed with status code c0000008. The machine must now be restarted."

• Addresses an issue that might prevent some applications from printing documents that contain graphics or large files after installing Windows Updates released June 9, 2020.

• Addresses an issue that might prevent you from connecting to OneDrive using the OneDrive app. This issue occurs on some older devices or on devices that have older apps, which use legacy file system filter drivers. As a result, this might prevent these devices from downloading new files or opening previously synced or downloaded files.

• Security updates to the Microsoft Scripting Engine, Windows App Platform and Frameworks, the Microsoft Store, Windows Graphics, Windows Input and Composition, Windows Media, Windows Shell, Windows Fundamentals, Windows Management, Windows Kernel, Windows Hybrid Cloud Networking, Windows Storage and Filesystems, Windows Update Stack, Windows MSXML, Windows File Server and Clustering, Windows Remote Desktop, Internet Explorer, Microsoft Edge Legacy, and the Microsoft JET Database Engine.

Version 1909 (KB4565483/build 18363.959):

• Updates to improve security when using Internet Explorer and Microsoft Edge Legacy.

• Updates to improve security when using Microsoft Office products.

• Updates to improve security when using input devices (such as a mouse, keyboard, or stylus).

• Improves security in the Microsoft Store.

• Updates to improve security when Windows performs basic operations.

• Updates for storing and managing files.

• Updates an issue that might prevent some applications from printing documents that contain graphics or large files.

Details:

• Addresses an issue with loading Browser Helper Objects in Microsoft Edge IE mode.

• Addresses an issue that might cause lsass.exe to fail with the error message, “A critical system process, C:\WINDOWS\system32\lsass.exe, failed with status code c0000008. The machine must now be restarted."

• Addresses an issue that might prevent some applications from printing documents that contain graphics or large files after installing Windows Updates released June 9, 2020.

• Security updates to Internet Explorer, the Microsoft Scripting Engine, Windows App Platform and Frameworks, Windows Apps, Microsoft Graphics Component, Windows Input and Composition, Windows Media, Windows Shell, the Microsoft Store, Microsoft Edge Legacy, Windows Cloud Infrastructure, Windows Fundamentals, Windows Management, Windows Kernel, Windows Storage and Filesystems, Windows Update Stack , Windows MSXML, Windows File Server and Clustering, Windows Remote Desktop, and the Microsoft JET Database Engine.

Cheers,

Joseph

And as usual my machine is late, but it aint broke, so I won't worry. My shadow machine is even late, well kind of.

--

Sarah Alawami, owner of TFFP. . For more info go to our website.

Check out my adventures with a shadow machine.

to subscribe to the feed click here and you can also follow us on twitter

Our discord is where you will know when we go live on twitch. Feel free to give the channel a follow and see what is up there.

For stream archives, products you can buy and more visit my main lbry page and my tffp lbry page You will also be able to buy some of my products and eBooks there.

Finally, to become a patron and help support the podcast go here


matthew dyer
 

Hi,

Got it installed on my hp notebook with a fresh install of 2004 and so far all is well actept thunderbird 68.10 is slower than a turtle on here for some reason.  So bad that I had to kill it from task manager.  This machine has 4 gb of ram.  My el braille which is running the 2004 update is not having this problem.   Again n9ot sure if this is an update or not as I have not installed it there.  Anyway my serface pro7 is still on 1909 but have not installed the cu for it just yet, but will be do so.

 

Matthew

 

 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Sarah k Alawami
Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2020 4:39 PM
To: win10@win10.groups.io
Subject: Re: [win10] July 2020 cumulative updates: KB4565503/19041.388, KB4565483/18363.959 #KBAlert

 

On 15 Jul 2020, at 12:54, Kevin Cussick via groups.io wrote:

Only took about 10 minutes here.

On 14/07/2020 20:49, inamuddin khan wrote:

This update took me about one hour to install.

With regards from Inamuddin with the Skype ID:

Charlsdarwin1

                                Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows 10

*From: *Joseph Lee <mailto:joseph.lee22590@...>
*Sent: *Tuesday, July 14, 2020 10:15 PM
*To: *win10@win10.groups.io <mailto:win10@win10.groups.io>
*Subject: *[Special] [win10] July 2020 cumulative updates: KB4565503/19041.388, KB4565483/18363.959 #KBAlert

Hi all,

Note: this is the last regular KB alert for Version 1909 (November 2019 Update). The next cumulative update announcement for this feature update will be sent next year when consumer support ends.

July 2020 regular cumulative update is now available for 1909 and 2004:

* Version 2004:
https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/4565503/windows-10-update-kb4565503
* Version 1909:
https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/4565483/windows-10-update-kb4565483

Changelog:

Version 2004 (KB4565503/build 19041.388):

• Improves security in the Microsoft Store.

• Updates to improve security when using input devices (such as a mouse, keyboard, or stylus).

• Updates to improve security when Windows performs basic operations.

• Updates for storing and managing files.

• Updates an issue that might cause certain games and applications to have visual distortion when resizing in windowed mode or switching from full screen to window mode.

• Updates to improve security when using Internet Explorer and Microsoft Edge Legacy.

• Updates an issue that might prevent some applications from printing documents that contain graphics or large files.

• Updates an issue that might prevent you from connecting to OneDrive using the OneDrive app.

Details:

• Addresses an issue in certain apps that use the ImeMode property to control Input Method Editor (IME) mode in Windows 10, version 2004 (the May 2020 Update). For example, this issue prevents input mode from automatically switching to Kanji or Hiragana. For more information, see KB4564002 and the blog post, Getting the May 2020 Update Ready for Release - UPDATED.

• Addresses an issue that might prevent you from using PowerShell to change the system locale on Server Core platforms.

• Addresses an issue that might cause certain games and applications to have visual distortion when resizing in windowed mode or switching from full screen to window mode.

• Addresses an issue that might cause lsass.exe to fail with the error message, “A critical system process, C:\WINDOWS\system32\lsass.exe, failed with status code c0000008. The machine must now be restarted."

• Addresses an issue that might prevent some applications from printing documents that contain graphics or large files after installing Windows Updates released June 9, 2020.

• Addresses an issue that might prevent you from connecting to OneDrive using the OneDrive app. This issue occurs on some older devices or on devices that have older apps, which use legacy file system filter drivers. As a result, this might prevent these devices from downloading new files or opening previously synced or downloaded files.

• Security updates to the Microsoft Scripting Engine, Windows App Platform and Frameworks, the Microsoft Store, Windows Graphics, Windows Input and Composition, Windows Media, Windows Shell, Windows Fundamentals, Windows Management, Windows Kernel, Windows Hybrid Cloud Networking, Windows Storage and Filesystems, Windows Update Stack, Windows MSXML, Windows File Server and Clustering, Windows Remote Desktop, Internet Explorer, Microsoft Edge Legacy, and the Microsoft JET Database Engine.

Version 1909 (KB4565483/build 18363.959):

• Updates to improve security when using Internet Explorer and Microsoft Edge Legacy.

• Updates to improve security when using Microsoft Office products.

• Updates to improve security when using input devices (such as a mouse, keyboard, or stylus).

• Improves security in the Microsoft Store.

• Updates to improve security when Windows performs basic operations.

• Updates for storing and managing files.

• Updates an issue that might prevent some applications from printing documents that contain graphics or large files.

Details:

• Addresses an issue with loading Browser Helper Objects in Microsoft Edge IE mode.

• Addresses an issue that might cause lsass.exe to fail with the error message, “A critical system process, C:\WINDOWS\system32\lsass.exe, failed with status code c0000008. The machine must now be restarted."

• Addresses an issue that might prevent some applications from printing documents that contain graphics or large files after installing Windows Updates released June 9, 2020.

• Security updates to Internet Explorer, the Microsoft Scripting Engine, Windows App Platform and Frameworks, Windows Apps, Microsoft Graphics Component, Windows Input and Composition, Windows Media, Windows Shell, the Microsoft Store, Microsoft Edge Legacy, Windows Cloud Infrastructure, Windows Fundamentals, Windows Management, Windows Kernel, Windows Storage and Filesystems, Windows Update Stack , Windows MSXML, Windows File Server and Clustering, Windows Remote Desktop, and the Microsoft JET Database Engine.

Cheers,

Joseph

And as usual my machine is late, but it aint broke, so I won't worry. My shadow machine is even late, well kind of.

--

Sarah Alawami, owner of TFFP. . For more info go to our website.

Check out my adventures with a shadow machine.

to subscribe to the feed click here and you can also follow us on twitter

Our discord is where you will know when we go live on twitch. Feel free to give the channel a follow and see what is up there.

For stream archives, products you can buy and more visit my main lbry page and my tffp lbry page You will also be able to buy some of my products and eBooks there.

Finally, to become a patron and help support the podcast go here

 


 

Not that I can enforce this, or even would propose it should be enforced, but because there is very often a significant difference in how long any given cumulative or feature update takes to apply based on whether one has a solid-state drive (SSD) versus a conventional hard disk drive (HDD) it makes sense to mention which your computer has.

My machines, all of which are still of HDD vintage and that I have not upgraded, always take much longer to apply cumulative and feature updates than those with SSDs do.   And it has been as big a difference as 5 minutes or less on an SSD machine and over an hour on a HDD machine on more than one occasion.

--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363

Life is the art of drawing sufficient conclusions from insufficient premises.

         ~ Samuel Butler, 1835-1902


 

Hi,

It doesn’t matter which storage medium is in use as long as cumulative updates install successfully and pose no noticeable issues for users.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: win10@win10.groups.io <win10@win10.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2020 2:41 PM
To: win10@win10.groups.io
Subject: [Special] Re: [win10] July 2020 cumulative updates: KB4565503/19041.388, KB4565483/18363.959 #KBAlert

 

Not that I can enforce this, or even would propose it should be enforced, but because there is very often a significant difference in how long any given cumulative or feature update takes to apply based on whether one has a solid-state drive (SSD) versus a conventional hard disk drive (HDD) it makes sense to mention which your computer has.

My machines, all of which are still of HDD vintage and that I have not upgraded, always take much longer to apply cumulative and feature updates than those with SSDs do.   And it has been as big a difference as 5 minutes or less on an SSD machine and over an hour on a HDD machine on more than one occasion.

--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363

Life is the art of drawing sufficient conclusions from insufficient premises.

         ~ Samuel Butler, 1835-1902


 
Edited

On Wed, Jul 15, 2020 at 05:48 PM, Joseph Lee wrote:
It doesn’t matter which storage medium is in use as long as cumulative updates install successfully and pose no noticeable issues for users.
Joseph, it certainly does matter when people are throwing out "how long it took" information.

It is, and always has been, impossible to present time taken for installation as some sort of absolute without knowing the storage medium.  I, for one, am constantly frustrated at the confusion that ensues when one person says, "It took 5 minutes for me," and another says, "It took an hour for me," and then the stream of questions follows.

Just like it's important to have Version and Build number when it comes to giving accurate advice with regard to Windows 10, it is equally critical to differentiate between whether a system has an SSD as its OS drive versus HDD as its OS drive when reporting amount of time taken to upgrade.

I believe my original message was abundantly clear about its purpose, and entirely valid in context.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363

Life is the art of drawing sufficient conclusions from insufficient premises.

         ~ Samuel Butler, 1835-1902


 

Hi,

Perhaps as a compromise, I think it would be best to write a footnote when announcing feature updates that installation may take minutes to hours depending on storage medium. As for mandating that people tell us storage devices in use, I think that’s an overkill unless the post specifically states that it has to do with storage or installation issues.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: win10@win10.groups.io <win10@win10.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2020 3:10 PM
To: win10@win10.groups.io
Subject: [Special] Re: [win10] July 2020 cumulative updates: KB4565503/19041.388, KB4565483/18363.959 #KBAlert

 

On Wed, Jul 15, 2020 at 05:48 PM, Joseph Lee wrote:

It doesn’t matter which storage medium is in use as long as cumulative updates install successfully and pose no noticeable issues for users.

Josepn, it certainly does matter when people are throwing out "how long it took" information.

It is, and always has been, impossible to present time taken for installation as some sort of absolute without knowing the storage medium.  I, for one, am constantly frustrated at the confusion that ensues when one person says, "It took 5 minutes for me," and another says, "It took an hour for me," and then the stream of questions follows.

Just like it's important to have Version and Build number when it comes to giving accurate advice with regard to Windows 10, it is equally critical to differentiate between whether a system has an SSD as its OS drive versus HDD as its OS drive when reporting amount of time taken to upgrade.

I believe my original message was abundantly clear about its purpose, and entirely valid in context.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363

Life is the art of drawing sufficient conclusions from insufficient premises.

         ~ Samuel Butler, 1835-1902


 

On Wed, Jul 15, 2020 at 06:17 PM, Joseph Lee wrote:
As for mandating that people tell us storage devices in use,
Joseph, this is what irritates me to no end.  I said, and I quote, "Not that I can enforce this, or even would propose it should be enforced. . .," followed with, "because there is very often a significant difference in how long any given cumulative or feature update takes to apply based on whether one has a solid-state drive (SSD) versus a conventional hard disk drive (HDD) it makes sense to mention which your computer has."

I never proposed mandating anything, just the opposite.

But I stand by the fact that it always, always, always matters - in regard to giving time figures for how long a given major update takes to apply/install - whether an SSD or HDD is involved.  This has nothing to so with "storage or installation issues," its a simple and direct fact of the differences between how those two technologies work.  The mad rush toward SSDs is in large part due to how lightning fast they are compared to conventional spinners.

If someone says "it took about 5 minutes" that's useless information absent knowing what drive type the OS drive is.  And useless or confusing information has no value to a broad audience.
 
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Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363

Life is the art of drawing sufficient conclusions from insufficient premises.

         ~ Samuel Butler, 1835-1902


 

Hi,

I think I was caught off-guard by the statement that it should be mandatory to report which storage medium one is using when reporting update duration. I concur with that context, and I believe that it should be a voluntary data. I myself do not report installation times (for reference, my systems are using SSD’s for system drive), concerned more with what will happen after a system restart. So far, 19041.388 is a bit more stable than last cumulative update, but things can change (a completely separate thread).

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: win10@win10.groups.io <win10@win10.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2020 3:26 PM
To: win10@win10.groups.io
Subject: [Special] Re: [win10] July 2020 cumulative updates: KB4565503/19041.388, KB4565483/18363.959 #KBAlert

 

On Wed, Jul 15, 2020 at 06:17 PM, Joseph Lee wrote:

As for mandating that people tell us storage devices in use,

Joseph, this is what irritates me to no end.  I said, and I quote, "Not that I can enforce this, or even would propose it should be enforced. . .," followed with, "because there is very often a significant difference in how long any given cumulative or feature update takes to apply based on whether one has a solid-state drive (SSD) versus a conventional hard disk drive (HDD) it makes sense to mention which your computer has."

I never proposed mandating anything, just the opposite.

But I stand by the fact that it always, always, always matters - in regard to giving time figures for how long a given major update takes to apply/install - whether an SSD or HDD is involved.  This has nothing to so with "storage or installation issues," its a simple and direct fact of the differences between how those two technologies work.  The mad rush toward SSDs is in large part due to how lightning fast they are compared to conventional spinners.

If someone says "it took about 5 minutes" that's useless information absent knowing what drive type the OS drive is.  And useless or confusing information has no value to a broad audience.
 
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Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363

Life is the art of drawing sufficient conclusions from insufficient premises.

         ~ Samuel Butler, 1835-1902


Kevin Cussick
 

Hi, Brian did not say it should be made mandatory, he just said it would be a good idea if people said if they were using an SSD or normal ssd type drive. for what is worth on this machine the OS drive is an Ssd only 128GB but it does for me.

On 15/07/2020 23:17, Joseph Lee wrote:
Hi,
Perhaps as a compromise, I think it would be best to write a footnote when announcing feature updates that installation may take minutes to hours depending on storage medium. As for mandating that people tell us storage devices in use, I think that’s an overkill unless the post specifically states that it has to do with storage or installation issues.
Cheers,
Joseph
*From:* win10@win10.groups.io <win10@win10.groups.io> *On Behalf Of *Brian Vogel
*Sent:* Wednesday, July 15, 2020 3:10 PM
*To:* win10@win10.groups.io
*Subject:* [Special] Re: [win10] July 2020 cumulative updates: KB4565503/19041.388, KB4565483/18363.959 #KBAlert
On Wed, Jul 15, 2020 at 05:48 PM, Joseph Lee wrote:
It doesn’t matter which storage medium is in use as long as
cumulative updates install successfully and pose no noticeable
issues for users.
Josepn, it certainly does matter when people are throwing out "how long it took" information.
It is, and always has been, impossible to present time taken for installation as some sort of absolute without knowing the storage medium.  I, for one, am constantly frustrated at the confusion that ensues when one person says, "It took 5 minutes for me," and another says, "It took an hour for me," and then the stream of questions follows.
Just like it's important to have Version and Build number when it comes to giving accurate advice with regard to Windows 10, it is equally critical to differentiate between whether a system has an SSD as its OS drive versus HDD as its OS drive when reporting amount of time taken to upgrade.
I believe my original message was abundantly clear about its purpose, and entirely valid in context.
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Brian *-*Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363
Life is the art of drawing sufficient conclusions from insufficient premises.
         ~ Samuel Butler, 1835-1902