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Marisane Moruthanyana
 

Hi gurus

This is Wally from SA.

I am often confused by people still referring others to what is no longer there.

When one asks for assistance, one expects you, gurus to assist in
terms of what we now have.

I would like to request the administrators of these lists to mute
those people who continuously mislead us.

We do not have Window Eyes any longer so, according to me assisting
someone using the mentality of ignoring change, does not help the
blind community.

Census, why is this topic allowed here? Is it about technology?

Let these lists be used in context.

I am not angry, but concerned.

We ask what is relevant in these mailing lists and we are
unfortunately not responded to due to unnecessary conversations that
take place on the lists.

Let us respect the lists for purposes of learning and self-enhancement.

The lists are meant for us to learn and effectively use technology and
not for anything else.

Thanking you in advance for your understanding.

Wally Marisane: SA


Sherry Wells
 

Hello Wally,

Although I mostly agree with your email, I think the census thread was relevant as it pertained to how to complete the census using different browsers. As you said in your email, " The lists are meant for us to learn and effectively use technology..."

Sherry Wells

-----Original Message-----
From: win10@win10.groups.io <win10@win10.groups.io> On Behalf Of Marisane Moruthanyana
Sent: Sunday, March 22, 2020 6:05 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Cc: win10@win10.groups.io
Subject: [win10] irrelevant information

Hi gurus

This is Wally from SA.

I am often confused by people still referring others to what is no longer there.

When one asks for assistance, one expects you, gurus to assist in terms of what we now have.

I would like to request the administrators of these lists to mute those people who continuously mislead us.

We do not have Window Eyes any longer so, according to me assisting someone using the mentality of ignoring change, does not help the blind community.

Census, why is this topic allowed here? Is it about technology?

Let these lists be used in context.

I am not angry, but concerned.

We ask what is relevant in these mailing lists and we are unfortunately not responded to due to unnecessary conversations that take place on the lists.

Let us respect the lists for purposes of learning and self-enhancement.

The lists are meant for us to learn and effectively use technology and not for anything else.

Thanking you in advance for your understanding.

Wally Marisane: SA


Brian Vogel <britechguy@...>
 

The response I gave to this message on the NVDA Group is just as relevant here:

While Window-Eyes, like JAWS, or VoiceOver, or TalkBack, or other screen readers occasionally get passing mention here during discussions, generally as a "compare and contrast" for a wanted but missing feature, or discussing something that could easily be done using Window-Eyes that is more cumbersome via another screen reader.

It would be foolish to even try to enforce some strict decree that any screen reader, whether currently supported or obsolete, absolutely cannot be mentioned.

This complaint seems to me to be a solution in search of a non-existent problem.  The readership of this group, and other blind technology groups, is acutely aware that Window-Eyes is not a currently supported product, but that there are also some who have it that continue to use it and that the odd, occasional question will arise.  I have yet to see someone encourage anyone not already using Window-Eyes to adopt it.  Were someone to do so, I would expect the reaction from the readership would promptly disabuse anyone of the wisdom of doing so.

Context matters.
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Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363

This country has socialism for the rich, rugged individualism for the poor.

       ~ Rev. Martin Luther King Jr.


 

Hi,
Also, for future reference, please do NOT cross-post by using CC/copy to feature. If you do need to do that, please use BCC/blind carbon copy.

With that said:

  • Census topic: initially I asked people to contact the government should they run into problems. But as the discussion unfolded, it became clear that the advice given by the United States Census Bureau was inaccurate – asking folks to use Internet Explorer with JAWS. I have completed my own census yesterday with Chromium Edge and latest NVDA release. Thus it is more than important to tell the government to make the information more accurate, but time will tell if needed changes will be implemented.
  • Window-Eyes: when I announced end of Window-Eyes in 2017, I did say that discussion surrounding this screen reader will continue as there are folks who are still using it or transitioning to other screen readers. That policy still applies. Same goes with unsupported Windows 10 releases, although the advice has been to update to supported Windows 10 releases.

I’d like to hear feedback from others before closing this request next week.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

 

From: win10@win10.groups.io <win10@win10.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Sunday, March 22, 2020 8:50 AM
To: win10@win10.groups.io
Subject: Re: [win10] irrelevant information

 

The response I gave to this message on the NVDA Group is just as relevant here:

While Window-Eyes, like JAWS, or VoiceOver, or TalkBack, or other screen readers occasionally get passing mention here during discussions, generally as a "compare and contrast" for a wanted but missing feature, or discussing something that could easily be done using Window-Eyes that is more cumbersome via another screen reader.

It would be foolish to even try to enforce some strict decree that any screen reader, whether currently supported or obsolete, absolutely cannot be mentioned.

This complaint seems to me to be a solution in search of a non-existent problem.  The readership of this group, and other blind technology groups, is acutely aware that Window-Eyes is not a currently supported product, but that there are also some who have it that continue to use it and that the odd, occasional question will arise.  I have yet to see someone encourage anyone not already using Window-Eyes to adopt it.  Were someone to do so, I would expect the reaction from the readership would promptly disabuse anyone of the wisdom of doing so.

Context matters.
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Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363

This country has socialism for the rich, rugged individualism for the poor.

       ~ Rev. Martin Luther King Jr.


Brian Vogel <britechguy@...>
 

On Sun, Mar 22, 2020 at 12:56 PM, Joseph Lee wrote:
Also, for future reference, please do NOT cross-post by using CC/copy to feature. If you do need to do that, please use BCC/blind carbon copy.
Actually, I'd extend that to please don't cross-post, period.  It's considered bad manners in the netiquette world and on some lists (but not Groups.io) can result in replies posted to what the person replying believes is a single list going out to multiples.  And on most lists/forums where that can occur a single instance of cross-posting can get you banned.

If, however, you feel something warrants attention on several different groups, because this happens, create a separate topic on each group/list, even if the title and content are precisely the same.   The need to do this at all should be quite rare, but it does happen every once in a great while.
 
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Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363

This country has socialism for the rich, rugged individualism for the poor.

       ~ Rev. Martin Luther King Jr.


Brian Vogel <britechguy@...>
 

On Sun, Mar 22, 2020 at 06:04 AM, Marisane Moruthanyana wrote:
We ask what is relevant in these mailing lists and we are
unfortunately not responded to due to unnecessary conversations that
take place on the lists.
This deserves a separate response of its own.   On any group, and particularly those that are high traffic groups, there will always be tons of topics that do not hold even the slightest interest to a given reader even if they are entirely on-topic for the list.  This is precisely the reason I wrote the tutorial (take your pick of download format):

Controlling the Messages You Receive via E-Mail from Groups.io (docx)

Controlling the Messages You Receive via E-Mail from Groups.io  (PDF)

Anyone who wishes to remain engaged in a group, but also wants to limit their traffic, should follow the steps I describe for setting up topic preview.  That way, unless you follow a topic based upon the first message, you will not receive any additional messages from that topic.   In fact, the original message where I put this information out is a pinned topic in the archive for this group, and is the only pinned topic - 
Fine-Grained Control Over the Group Messages You Receive from Groups.io.  There are lots of ways to control unwanted traffic that is not unwanted because it's off-topic, but just because you don't prefer to keep receiving it.

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Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363

This country has socialism for the rich, rugged individualism for the poor.

       ~ Rev. Martin Luther King Jr.