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Quite interesting, Microsoft is definitely making it more of a requirement to be signed in using a Microsoft account if you want to take advantage of the new Cortana features and Cortana will be much mor narrowly focused on productivity
with support for music, home automation and third party apps going away. It would seem Microsoft is focusing on what they do best and they are leaving the music and home automation to Alexa, Google and Apple at least for now.
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Hmmm probably because they just don't want to compete.
With spotify taking their music service who knows.
Rumors are that cortana will be an app.
And while I like my microsoft account the advantage of not
logging on with it is that I can simply choose what and when some
of those online notifications are pushed.
I also don't need to have my data always in microsoft's pocket.
With their music gone bar apps I am unsure what is left.
Looks like we will have to have our nets unplugged in order to
get a local.
The other way is to have both a local and ms account and that may
actually not be a bad thing in the long run.
The local could be the admin, the ms could be the other or the ms
could be admin but it depends what you are doing.
I have joined several insider things but who knows.
Microsoft keeps mentioning this microsoft 360 so it sounds like
there will be a version of windows thats subscription based.
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On 2/03/2020 5:37 pm, Sieghard Weitzel
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Sarah k Alawami
I'm actually glad MS is goign that way. I'd rather be logged in to my microsoft account to access everything and everythign just works after that. I will never go local again. Now let's just hope I don't eat my wording.
Sarah Alawami, owner of TFFP. . For more info go to our website.
to subscribe to the feed click here and you can also follow us on twitter
Our discord is where you will know when we go live on [twitch.](http://twitch.tv/ke7zum] Feel free to give the channel a follow and see what is up there.
For stream archives, products you can buy and more visit my main lbry page and my tffp lbry page
Finally, to become a patron and help support the podcast go here
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On 1 Mar 2020, at 22:11, Shaun Everiss wrote:
Hmmm probably because they just don't want to compete.
With spotify taking their music service who knows.
Rumors are that cortana will be an app.
And while I like my microsoft account the advantage of not
logging on with it is that I can simply choose what and when some
of those online notifications are pushed.
I also don't need to have my data always in microsoft's pocket.
With their music gone bar apps I am unsure what is left.
Looks like we will have to have our nets unplugged in order to
get a local.
The other way is to have both a local and ms account and that may
actually not be a bad thing in the long run.
The local could be the admin, the ms could be the other or the ms
could be admin but it depends what you are doing.
I have joined several insider things but who knows.
Microsoft keeps mentioning this microsoft 360 so it sounds like
there will be a version of windows thats subscription based.
On 2/03/2020 5:37 pm, Sieghard Weitzel
wrote:
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I like my local account to be honest.
Lets see reasons not to use a microsoft account include that with
thirdparty stuff gone, you just use office, onedrive, and hmmm
cortana anda few other services.
Apart from the fact I can use 90% of everything via an email and
apps account I see no advantage to me personally.
I don't use and never will use outlook, and as for office I can
get third party offices if I really need to.
Whats left, hmmm settings sync, even then I can easily put them
back.
The only things that may sway me a little are todo and onenote
but I am sure I can do it via apps.
I am not a windows insider but I am one in xbox but I can do it
via app.
Microsoft is not google, with it shrinking itself into itself,
the only reason I need a microsoft account is to use microsoft
services.
Unless they get rid of email and apps accounts I struggle to see
what I can't get and use that I am allready using.
Bar forcing me to use their account there is no compelling reason
to use and I will try to make sure I can get a local or get off
the crappy microsoft account to a local because its crap now.
If microsoft don't want me to tell them their stuff is crap then,
for goodness sake do what everyone else done and add services.
Get the music store back or something like it drm free.
Give me audio described movies, epub ebooks, and all the other
stuff that makes my google and other experiences so cool.
The reason its so bad now is that microsoft is cutting down to
just their stuff and while I see for a corperate or business
person a reason to do this for an average home user like me just
doesn't cut it.
I need more reasons than I can use microsoft services to access a
microsoft account.
Microsoft services include office which I don't currently use,
outlook.com which I don't currently use, cortana which not do I
not use it but I will be taking it off as soon as I can because
itself is limited to microsoft services.
Oh and onedrive which I don't use.
Yes I do use weather but its not as acurate as some other places
I use and I can access it online.
I don't care or need settings synced and I don't care about
timeline or anything to do with my activity.
I am a single user in a home not a secured office.
I am hardly on the go and certainly in places where it could be a
problem I don't go away enough to justify taking my laptop as I
am never away long.
If microsoft would act like a normal content previder then maybe
I'd actually take them seriously.
But right now I am finding it down right difficult to do that if
all they will support is their services most of which I don't or
hardly use.
And while leaving all the other voice assistants alone is fine on
mobile devices, if I were microsoft I'd also just get rid of their
account entirely, because right now I don't think any user that
isn't sucked in and even those that are actually use it that much.
I do have a friend like myself with the same frustrations.
Yes he loggs in with a microsoft account and did it for quite a
while.
He no longer does it because of the isolated way microsoft seems
to be going.
I do understand where microsoft is going in reguards to linked
business, but in that case maybe there needs to be a consumer
version of windows say home without the microsoft account at all I
just don't know how much they have left if they keep streamlining
like this, they have done it to much.
They have games and business stuff, but if they want the users to
take them seriously, home kit would be a good market for them to
step in and integrating with everything else would be good to.
Now I have friends some in business or in agreements where they
are locked into using a microsoft account and they do have linked
pcs, phones and the like and it does work well for them.
However I do have equally people locked in which are trying hard
to get away from all of it.
My dad is one such person like me, he doesn't use the cloud much
just a dropbox.
Microsoft has to realise that while yes a lot of stuff is online
the users want control when and where they use it.
That includes when they login to it.
I think that logging into a microsoft account for windows is a
nice way to get data and its a good marketing ploy but for me the
user it means its in my face and I'd like more control
With the apps and email accounts set, I know my apps will work
but I have control of them, when I open and close them, etc.
My pc is not a smart phone or other device!!!
It! is! a! computer!!
And my personal computer is not going to need to be online all
day long on office necessarily anyway.
The 1 size fits all doesn't always work even though I know a lot
of the world uses it and I whish they didn't.
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On 3/03/2020 5:42 am, Sarah k Alawami
wrote:
I'm actually glad MS is goign that way. I'd
rather be logged in to my microsoft account to access
everything and everythign just works after that. I will
never go local again. Now let's just hope I don't eat my
wording.
Sarah Alawami, owner of TFFP. . For more info go
to our website.
to subscribe to the feed click here and you can also follow us on twitter
Our discord is where you will know
when we go live on [twitch.](http://twitch.tv/ke7zum]
Feel free to give the channel a follow and see what is up
there.
For stream archives, products you can buy and
more visit my main lbry page and my tffp
lbry page
Finally, to become a patron and help support the
podcast go here
On 1 Mar 2020, at 22:11, Shaun Everiss wrote:
Hmmm probably because they just don't want to compete.
With spotify taking their music service who knows.
Rumors are that cortana will be an app.
And while I like my microsoft account the advantage of
not logging on with it is that I can simply choose what
and when some of those online notifications are pushed.
I also don't need to have my data always in microsoft's
pocket.
With their music gone bar apps I am unsure what is left.
Looks like we will have to have our nets unplugged in
order to get a local.
The other way is to have both a local and ms account and
that may actually not be a bad thing in the long run.
The local could be the admin, the ms could be the other
or the ms could be admin but it depends what you are
doing.
I have joined several insider things but who knows.
Microsoft keeps mentioning this microsoft 360 so it
sounds like there will be a version of windows thats
subscription based.
On 2/03/2020 5:37 pm, Sieghard
Weitzel wrote:
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Sarah k Alawami
I don't think microsoft is isolated. I say just go with the change and get a microsoft account. It's actually very easy, and the services you don't need, you don't need to use. It's that simple.
Sarah Alawami, owner of TFFP. . For more info go to our website.
to subscribe to the feed click here and you can also follow us on twitter
Our discord is where you will know when we go live on [twitch.](http://twitch.tv/ke7zum] Feel free to give the channel a follow and see what is up there.
For stream archives, products you can buy and more visit my main lbry page and my tffp lbry page
Finally, to become a patron and help support the podcast go here
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On 2 Mar 2020, at 9:48, Shaun Everiss wrote:
I like my local account to be honest.
Lets see reasons not to use a microsoft account include that with
thirdparty stuff gone, you just use office, onedrive, and hmmm
cortana anda few other services.
Apart from the fact I can use 90% of everything via an email and
apps account I see no advantage to me personally.
I don't use and never will use outlook, and as for office I can
get third party offices if I really need to.
Whats left, hmmm settings sync, even then I can easily put them
back.
The only things that may sway me a little are todo and onenote
but I am sure I can do it via apps.
I am not a windows insider but I am one in xbox but I can do it
via app.
Microsoft is not google, with it shrinking itself into itself,
the only reason I need a microsoft account is to use microsoft
services.
Unless they get rid of email and apps accounts I struggle to see
what I can't get and use that I am allready using.
Bar forcing me to use their account there is no compelling reason
to use and I will try to make sure I can get a local or get off
the crappy microsoft account to a local because its crap now.
If microsoft don't want me to tell them their stuff is crap then,
for goodness sake do what everyone else done and add services.
Get the music store back or something like it drm free.
Give me audio described movies, epub ebooks, and all the other
stuff that makes my google and other experiences so cool.
The reason its so bad now is that microsoft is cutting down to
just their stuff and while I see for a corperate or business
person a reason to do this for an average home user like me just
doesn't cut it.
I need more reasons than I can use microsoft services to access a
microsoft account.
Microsoft services include office which I don't currently use,
outlook.com which I don't currently use, cortana which not do I
not use it but I will be taking it off as soon as I can because
itself is limited to microsoft services.
Oh and onedrive which I don't use.
Yes I do use weather but its not as acurate as some other places
I use and I can access it online.
I don't care or need settings synced and I don't care about
timeline or anything to do with my activity.
I am a single user in a home not a secured office.
I am hardly on the go and certainly in places where it could be a
problem I don't go away enough to justify taking my laptop as I
am never away long.
If microsoft would act like a normal content previder then maybe
I'd actually take them seriously.
But right now I am finding it down right difficult to do that if
all they will support is their services most of which I don't or
hardly use.
And while leaving all the other voice assistants alone is fine on
mobile devices, if I were microsoft I'd also just get rid of their
account entirely, because right now I don't think any user that
isn't sucked in and even those that are actually use it that much.
I do have a friend like myself with the same frustrations.
Yes he loggs in with a microsoft account and did it for quite a
while.
He no longer does it because of the isolated way microsoft seems
to be going.
I do understand where microsoft is going in reguards to linked
business, but in that case maybe there needs to be a consumer
version of windows say home without the microsoft account at all I
just don't know how much they have left if they keep streamlining
like this, they have done it to much.
They have games and business stuff, but if they want the users to
take them seriously, home kit would be a good market for them to
step in and integrating with everything else would be good to.
Now I have friends some in business or in agreements where they
are locked into using a microsoft account and they do have linked
pcs, phones and the like and it does work well for them.
However I do have equally people locked in which are trying hard
to get away from all of it.
My dad is one such person like me, he doesn't use the cloud much
just a dropbox.
Microsoft has to realise that while yes a lot of stuff is online
the users want control when and where they use it.
That includes when they login to it.
I think that logging into a microsoft account for windows is a
nice way to get data and its a good marketing ploy but for me the
user it means its in my face and I'd like more control
With the apps and email accounts set, I know my apps will work
but I have control of them, when I open and close them, etc.
My pc is not a smart phone or other device!!!
It! is! a! computer!!
And my personal computer is not going to need to be online all
day long on office necessarily anyway.
The 1 size fits all doesn't always work even though I know a lot
of the world uses it and I whish they didn't.
On 3/03/2020 5:42 am, Sarah k Alawami
wrote:
I'm actually glad MS is goign that way. I'd
rather be logged in to my microsoft account to access
everything and everythign just works after that. I will
never go local again. Now let's just hope I don't eat my
wording.
Sarah Alawami, owner of TFFP. . For more info go
to our website.
to subscribe to the feed click here and you can also follow us on twitter
Our discord is where you will know
when we go live on [twitch.](http://twitch.tv/ke7zum]
Feel free to give the channel a follow and see what is up
there.
For stream archives, products you can buy and
more visit my main lbry page and my tffp
lbry page
Finally, to become a patron and help support the
podcast go here
On 1 Mar 2020, at 22:11, Shaun Everiss wrote:
Hmmm probably because they just don't want to compete.
With spotify taking their music service who knows.
Rumors are that cortana will be an app.
And while I like my microsoft account the advantage of
not logging on with it is that I can simply choose what
and when some of those online notifications are pushed.
I also don't need to have my data always in microsoft's
pocket.
With their music gone bar apps I am unsure what is left.
Looks like we will have to have our nets unplugged in
order to get a local.
The other way is to have both a local and ms account and
that may actually not be a bad thing in the long run.
The local could be the admin, the ms could be the other
or the ms could be admin but it depends what you are
doing.
I have joined several insider things but who knows.
Microsoft keeps mentioning this microsoft 360 so it
sounds like there will be a version of windows thats
subscription based.
On 2/03/2020 5:37 pm, Sieghard
Weitzel wrote:
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I do not understand your logic at all, Sean. I can’t even begin to comprehend your reasoning. You don’t want to use a Microsoft account because you claim they don’t offer services, yet you just listed at least 5 services that are, by and large, dead useful. OneDrive keeps your documents and data synchronized across devices without having to change where your documents folder resides. Office 365 is fantastic and I am in fact using it right now. It is super simple to synchronize settings – why go through the work of doing it on all devices when Microsoft syncs it across? Windows insider and xbox features are useful – Microsoft store apps will install automatically after you sign in. I can go on. And why are you calling it crap? It doesn’t impact you in any other way and using a local account certainly doesn’t make you any safer or offer any benefits. It isn’t like Microsoft is forcing you to be connected to the internet when you sign in using their account. You log onto your computer the same either way, internet or not.
From: win10@win10.groups.io <win10@win10.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sarah k Alawami Sent: Monday, March 2, 2020 1:28 PM To: win10@win10.groups.io Subject: Re: [win10] Windows blog: upcoming changes to Cortana #WinTen2004 I don't think microsoft is isolated. I say just go with the change and get a microsoft account. It's actually very easy, and the services you don't need, you don't need to use. It's that simple. Sarah Alawami, owner of TFFP. . For more info go to our website. to subscribe to the feed click here and you can also follow us on twitter Our discord is where you will know when we go live on [twitch.](http://twitch.tv/ke7zum] Feel free to give the channel a follow and see what is up there. For stream archives, products you can buy and more visit my main lbry page and my tffp lbry page Finally, to become a patron and help support the podcast go here On 2 Mar 2020, at 9:48, Shaun Everiss wrote: I like my local account to be honest. Lets see reasons not to use a microsoft account include that with thirdparty stuff gone, you just use office, onedrive, and hmmm cortana anda few other services. Apart from the fact I can use 90% of everything via an email and apps account I see no advantage to me personally. I don't use and never will use outlook, and as for office I can get third party offices if I really need to. Whats left, hmmm settings sync, even then I can easily put them back. The only things that may sway me a little are todo and onenote but I am sure I can do it via apps. I am not a windows insider but I am one in xbox but I can do it via app. Microsoft is not google, with it shrinking itself into itself, the only reason I need a microsoft account is to use microsoft services. Unless they get rid of email and apps accounts I struggle to see what I can't get and use that I am allready using. Bar forcing me to use their account there is no compelling reason to use and I will try to make sure I can get a local or get off the crappy microsoft account to a local because its crap now. If microsoft don't want me to tell them their stuff is crap then, for goodness sake do what everyone else done and add services. Get the music store back or something like it drm free. Give me audio described movies, epub ebooks, and all the other stuff that makes my google and other experiences so cool. The reason its so bad now is that microsoft is cutting down to just their stuff and while I see for a corperate or business person a reason to do this for an average home user like me just doesn't cut it. I need more reasons than I can use microsoft services to access a microsoft account. Microsoft services include office which I don't currently use, outlook.com which I don't currently use, cortana which not do I not use it but I will be taking it off as soon as I can because itself is limited to microsoft services. Oh and onedrive which I don't use. Yes I do use weather but its not as acurate as some other places I use and I can access it online. I don't care or need settings synced and I don't care about timeline or anything to do with my activity. I am a single user in a home not a secured office. I am hardly on the go and certainly in places where it could be a problem I don't go away enough to justify taking my laptop as I am never away long. If microsoft would act like a normal content previder then maybe I'd actually take them seriously. But right now I am finding it down right difficult to do that if all they will support is their services most of which I don't or hardly use. And while leaving all the other voice assistants alone is fine on mobile devices, if I were microsoft I'd also just get rid of their account entirely, because right now I don't think any user that isn't sucked in and even those that are actually use it that much. I do have a friend like myself with the same frustrations. Yes he loggs in with a microsoft account and did it for quite a while. He no longer does it because of the isolated way microsoft seems to be going. I do understand where microsoft is going in reguards to linked business, but in that case maybe there needs to be a consumer version of windows say home without the microsoft account at all I just don't know how much they have left if they keep streamlining like this, they have done it to much. They have games and business stuff, but if they want the users to take them seriously, home kit would be a good market for them to step in and integrating with everything else would be good to. Now I have friends some in business or in agreements where they are locked into using a microsoft account and they do have linked pcs, phones and the like and it does work well for them. However I do have equally people locked in which are trying hard to get away from all of it. My dad is one such person like me, he doesn't use the cloud much just a dropbox. Microsoft has to realise that while yes a lot of stuff is online the users want control when and where they use it. That includes when they login to it. I think that logging into a microsoft account for windows is a nice way to get data and its a good marketing ploy but for me the user it means its in my face and I'd like more control With the apps and email accounts set, I know my apps will work but I have control of them, when I open and close them, etc. My pc is not a smart phone or other device!!! It! is! a! computer!! And my personal computer is not going to need to be online all day long on office necessarily anyway. The 1 size fits all doesn't always work even though I know a lot of the world uses it and I whish they didn't. On 3/03/2020 5:42 am, Sarah k Alawami wrote: I'm actually glad MS is goign that way. I'd rather be logged in to my microsoft account to access everything and everythign just works after that. I will never go local again. Now let's just hope I don't eat my wording. Sarah Alawami, owner of TFFP. . For more info go to our website. to subscribe to the feed click here and you can also follow us on twitter Our discord is where you will know when we go live on [twitch.](http://twitch.tv/ke7zum] Feel free to give the channel a follow and see what is up there. For stream archives, products you can buy and more visit my main lbry page and my tffp lbry page Finally, to become a patron and help support the podcast go here On 1 Mar 2020, at 22:11, Shaun Everiss wrote: Hmmm probably because they just don't want to compete. With spotify taking their music service who knows. Rumors are that cortana will be an app. And while I like my microsoft account the advantage of not logging on with it is that I can simply choose what and when some of those online notifications are pushed. I also don't need to have my data always in microsoft's pocket. With their music gone bar apps I am unsure what is left. Looks like we will have to have our nets unplugged in order to get a local. The other way is to have both a local and ms account and that may actually not be a bad thing in the long run. The local could be the admin, the ms could be the other or the ms could be admin but it depends what you are doing. I have joined several insider things but who knows. Microsoft keeps mentioning this microsoft 360 so it sounds like there will be a version of windows thats subscription based. On 2/03/2020 5:37 pm, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:
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Hi,
To keep the discussion on topic, the new Cortana will work as long as you sign into it using Microsoft Account. You can still use local account for logging in (that’s exactly my setup at the moment). Cheers, Joseph
From: win10@win10.groups.io <win10@win10.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tyler Wood Sent: Monday, March 2, 2020 11:33 AM To: win10@win10.groups.io Subject: Re: [win10] Windows blog: upcoming changes to Cortana #WinTen2004 I do not understand your logic at all, Sean. I can’t even begin to comprehend your reasoning. You don’t want to use a Microsoft account because you claim they don’t offer services, yet you just listed at least 5 services that are, by and large, dead useful. OneDrive keeps your documents and data synchronized across devices without having to change where your documents folder resides. Office 365 is fantastic and I am in fact using it right now. It is super simple to synchronize settings – why go through the work of doing it on all devices when Microsoft syncs it across? Windows insider and xbox features are useful – Microsoft store apps will install automatically after you sign in. I can go on. And why are you calling it crap? It doesn’t impact you in any other way and using a local account certainly doesn’t make you any safer or offer any benefits. It isn’t like Microsoft is forcing you to be connected to the internet when you sign in using their account. You log onto your computer the same either way, internet or not. I don't think microsoft is isolated. I say just go with the change and get a microsoft account. It's actually very easy, and the services you don't need, you don't need to use. It's that simple. Sarah Alawami, owner of TFFP. . For more info go to our website. to subscribe to the feed click here and you can also follow us on twitter Our discord is where you will know when we go live on [twitch.](http://twitch.tv/ke7zum] Feel free to give the channel a follow and see what is up there. For stream archives, products you can buy and more visit my main lbry page and my tffp lbry page Finally, to become a patron and help support the podcast go here On 2 Mar 2020, at 9:48, Shaun Everiss wrote: I like my local account to be honest. Lets see reasons not to use a microsoft account include that with thirdparty stuff gone, you just use office, onedrive, and hmmm cortana anda few other services. Apart from the fact I can use 90% of everything via an email and apps account I see no advantage to me personally. I don't use and never will use outlook, and as for office I can get third party offices if I really need to. Whats left, hmmm settings sync, even then I can easily put them back. The only things that may sway me a little are todo and onenote but I am sure I can do it via apps. I am not a windows insider but I am one in xbox but I can do it via app. Microsoft is not google, with it shrinking itself into itself, the only reason I need a microsoft account is to use microsoft services. Unless they get rid of email and apps accounts I struggle to see what I can't get and use that I am allready using. Bar forcing me to use their account there is no compelling reason to use and I will try to make sure I can get a local or get off the crappy microsoft account to a local because its crap now. If microsoft don't want me to tell them their stuff is crap then, for goodness sake do what everyone else done and add services. Get the music store back or something like it drm free. Give me audio described movies, epub ebooks, and all the other stuff that makes my google and other experiences so cool. The reason its so bad now is that microsoft is cutting down to just their stuff and while I see for a corperate or business person a reason to do this for an average home user like me just doesn't cut it. I need more reasons than I can use microsoft services to access a microsoft account. Microsoft services include office which I don't currently use, outlook.com which I don't currently use, cortana which not do I not use it but I will be taking it off as soon as I can because itself is limited to microsoft services. Oh and onedrive which I don't use. Yes I do use weather but its not as acurate as some other places I use and I can access it online. I don't care or need settings synced and I don't care about timeline or anything to do with my activity. I am a single user in a home not a secured office. I am hardly on the go and certainly in places where it could be a problem I don't go away enough to justify taking my laptop as I am never away long. If microsoft would act like a normal content previder then maybe I'd actually take them seriously. But right now I am finding it down right difficult to do that if all they will support is their services most of which I don't or hardly use. And while leaving all the other voice assistants alone is fine on mobile devices, if I were microsoft I'd also just get rid of their account entirely, because right now I don't think any user that isn't sucked in and even those that are actually use it that much. I do have a friend like myself with the same frustrations. Yes he loggs in with a microsoft account and did it for quite a while. He no longer does it because of the isolated way microsoft seems to be going. I do understand where microsoft is going in reguards to linked business, but in that case maybe there needs to be a consumer version of windows say home without the microsoft account at all I just don't know how much they have left if they keep streamlining like this, they have done it to much. They have games and business stuff, but if they want the users to take them seriously, home kit would be a good market for them to step in and integrating with everything else would be good to. Now I have friends some in business or in agreements where they are locked into using a microsoft account and they do have linked pcs, phones and the like and it does work well for them. However I do have equally people locked in which are trying hard to get away from all of it. My dad is one such person like me, he doesn't use the cloud much just a dropbox. Microsoft has to realise that while yes a lot of stuff is online the users want control when and where they use it. That includes when they login to it. I think that logging into a microsoft account for windows is a nice way to get data and its a good marketing ploy but for me the user it means its in my face and I'd like more control With the apps and email accounts set, I know my apps will work but I have control of them, when I open and close them, etc. My pc is not a smart phone or other device!!! It! is! a! computer!! And my personal computer is not going to need to be online all day long on office necessarily anyway. The 1 size fits all doesn't always work even though I know a lot of the world uses it and I whish they didn't. On 3/03/2020 5:42 am, Sarah k Alawami wrote: I'm actually glad MS is goign that way. I'd rather be logged in to my microsoft account to access everything and everythign just works after that. I will never go local again. Now let's just hope I don't eat my wording. Sarah Alawami, owner of TFFP. . For more info go to our website. to subscribe to the feed click here and you can also follow us on twitter Our discord is where you will know when we go live on [twitch.](http://twitch.tv/ke7zum] Feel free to give the channel a follow and see what is up there. For stream archives, products you can buy and more visit my main lbry page and my tffp lbry page Finally, to become a patron and help support the podcast go here On 1 Mar 2020, at 22:11, Shaun Everiss wrote: Hmmm probably because they just don't want to compete. With spotify taking their music service who knows. Rumors are that cortana will be an app. And while I like my microsoft account the advantage of not logging on with it is that I can simply choose what and when some of those online notifications are pushed. I also don't need to have my data always in microsoft's pocket. With their music gone bar apps I am unsure what is left. Looks like we will have to have our nets unplugged in order to get a local. The other way is to have both a local and ms account and that may actually not be a bad thing in the long run. The local could be the admin, the ms could be the other or the ms could be admin but it depends what you are doing. I have joined several insider things but who knows. Microsoft keeps mentioning this microsoft 360 so it sounds like there will be a version of windows thats subscription based. On 2/03/2020 5:37 pm, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:
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Good to know, will cortana work if I use email and apps? not that
I really care as such.
There are other assistants other than cortana I can readily use,
in fact, one of them is sitting connected to my tv and its close
enough I can tell my google dish what I want, one can have to many
assistants anyway and I never have used the microsoft one so no
loss.
One thing I would like the ability to stop is the web search in
start and the bing stuff in start.
I know its fancy but I want to limit my search to files and
programs on the system.
If I want to search something I want to launch my web app.
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On 3/03/2020 8:59 am, Joseph Lee wrote:
Hi,
To keep the discussion on topic, the new Cortana will work as
long as you sign into it using Microsoft Account. You can
still use local account for logging in (that’s exactly my
setup at the moment).
Cheers,
Joseph
I do not understand your logic at all,
Sean. I can’t even begin to comprehend your reasoning.
You don’t want to use a Microsoft account
because you claim they don’t offer services, yet you just
listed at least 5 services that are, by and large, dead
useful. OneDrive keeps your documents and data synchronized
across devices without having to change where your documents
folder resides. Office 365 is fantastic and I am in fact using
it right now. It is super simple to synchronize settings – why
go through the work of doing it on all devices when Microsoft
syncs it across? Windows insider and xbox features are useful
– Microsoft store apps will install automatically after you
sign in. I can go on. And why are you calling it crap? It
doesn’t impact you in any other way and using a local account
certainly doesn’t make you any safer or offer any benefits. It
isn’t like Microsoft is forcing you to be connected to the
internet when you sign in using their account. You log onto
your computer the same either way, internet or not.
I don't think microsoft is isolated. I say just go
with the change and get a microsoft account. It's
actually very easy, and the services you don't need, you
don't need to use. It's that simple.
Sarah Alawami, owner of TFFP. . For more info go to
our website.
to subscribe to the feed click here and you can also follow us on twitter
Our discord is where you will
know when we go live on [twitch.](http://twitch.tv/ke7zum]
Feel free to give the channel a follow and see what is
up there.
For stream archives, products you can buy and more
visit my main lbry page and my tffp lbry page
Finally, to become a patron and help support the
podcast go here
On 2 Mar 2020, at 9:48, Shaun Everiss wrote:
I like my local account to be honest.
Lets see reasons not to use a microsoft account
include that with thirdparty stuff gone, you just use
office, onedrive, and hmmm cortana anda few other
services.
Apart from the fact I can use 90% of everything
via an email and apps account I see no advantage to me
personally.
I don't use and never will use outlook, and as
for office I can get third party offices if I really
need to.
Whats left, hmmm settings sync, even then I can
easily put them back.
The only things that may sway me a little are
todo and onenote but I am sure I can do it via apps.
I am not a windows insider but I am one in xbox
but I can do it via app.
Microsoft is not google, with it shrinking itself
into itself, the only reason I need a microsoft
account is to use microsoft services.
Unless they get rid of email and apps accounts I
struggle to see what I can't get and use that I am
allready using.
Bar forcing me to use their account there is no
compelling reason to use and I will try to make sure I
can get a local or get off the crappy microsoft
account to a local because its crap now.
If microsoft don't want me to tell them their
stuff is crap then, for goodness sake do what everyone
else done and add services.
Get the music store back or something like it drm
free.
Give me audio described movies, epub ebooks, and
all the other stuff that makes my google and other
experiences so cool.
The reason its so bad now is that microsoft is
cutting down to just their stuff and while I see for a
corperate or business person a reason to do this for
an average home user like me just doesn't cut it.
I need more reasons than I can use microsoft
services to access a microsoft account.
Microsoft services include office which I don't
currently use, outlook.com which I don't currently
use, cortana which not do I not use it but I will be
taking it off as soon as I can because itself is
limited to microsoft services.
Oh and onedrive which I don't use.
Yes I do use weather but its not as acurate as
some other places I use and I can access it online.
I don't care or need settings synced and I don't
care about timeline or anything to do with my
activity.
I am a single user in a home not a secured
office.
I am hardly on the go and certainly in places
where it could be a problem I don't go away enough to
justify taking my laptop as I am never away long.
If microsoft would act like a normal content
previder then maybe I'd actually take them seriously.
But right now I am finding it down right
difficult to do that if all they will support is their
services most of which I don't or hardly use.
And while leaving all the other voice assistants
alone is fine on mobile devices, if I were microsoft
I'd also just get rid of their account entirely,
because right now I don't think any user that isn't
sucked in and even those that are actually use it that
much.
I do have a friend like myself with the same
frustrations.
Yes he loggs in with a microsoft account and did
it for quite a while.
He no longer does it because of the isolated way
microsoft seems to be going.
I do understand where microsoft is going in
reguards to linked business, but in that case maybe
there needs to be a consumer version of windows say
home without the microsoft account at all I just don't
know how much they have left if they keep streamlining
like this, they have done it to much.
They have games and business stuff, but if they
want the users to take them seriously, home kit would
be a good market for them to step in and integrating
with everything else would be good to.
Now I have friends some in business or in
agreements where they are locked into using a
microsoft account and they do have linked pcs, phones
and the like and it does work well for them.
However I do have equally people locked in which
are trying hard to get away from all of it.
My dad is one such person like me, he doesn't use
the cloud much just a dropbox.
Microsoft has to realise that while yes a lot of
stuff is online the users want control when and where
they use it.
That includes when they login to it.
I think that logging into a microsoft account for
windows is a nice way to get data and its a good
marketing ploy but for me the user it means its in my
face and I'd like more control
With the apps and email accounts set, I know my
apps will work but I have control of them, when I open
and close them, etc.
My pc is not a smart phone or other device!!!
It! is! a! computer!!
And my personal computer is not going to need to
be online all day long on office necessarily anyway.
The 1 size fits all doesn't always work even
though I know a lot of the world uses it and I whish
they didn't.
On 3/03/2020 5:42 am, Sarah k
Alawami wrote:
I'm actually glad MS is goign that way. I'd
rather be logged in to my microsoft account to
access everything and everythign just works
after that. I will never go local again. Now
let's just hope I don't eat my wording.
Sarah Alawami, owner of TFFP. . For more
info go to our website.
to subscribe to the feed click here and you can
also follow us on twitter
Our discord is where
you will know when we go live on [twitch.](http://twitch.tv/ke7zum]
Feel free to give the channel a follow and see
what is up there.
For stream archives, products you can buy
and more visit my main lbry page
and my tffp lbry page
Finally, to become a patron and help
support the podcast go here
On 1 Mar 2020, at 22:11, Shaun Everiss
wrote:
Hmmm probably because they just don't
want to compete.
With spotify taking their music service
who knows.
Rumors are that cortana will be an app.
And while I like my microsoft account the
advantage of not logging on with it is that I
can simply choose what and when some of those
online notifications are pushed.
I also don't need to have my data always
in microsoft's pocket.
With their music gone bar apps I am
unsure what is left.
Looks like we will have to have our nets
unplugged in order to get a local.
The other way is to have both a local and
ms account and that may actually not be a bad
thing in the long run.
The local could be the admin, the ms
could be the other or the ms could be admin
but it depends what you are doing.
I have joined several insider things but
who knows.
Microsoft keeps mentioning this microsoft
360 so it sounds like there will be a version
of windows thats subscription based.
On 2/03/2020 5:37 pm,
Sieghard Weitzel wrote:
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Hmmm What I said, actually was that I saw no advantage to using
my microsoft account as a login when all my apps could run with it
in the email and apps mode.
As for the rest, you are clearly an office user and for office
users thats fine.
My main thrust is that microsoft seems to be abandoning all its
services, music, etc for only its office and data storage services
whilst just about everyone google and apple etc seem to be
branching out.
Microsoft is killing of its cortana on mobile, and bar xbox which
granted does have movie and such services in it and office I don't
see any advantage over logging into a microsoft account when I can
use a local with the email and apps account handling the microsoft
stuff.
Now saying this, if you like a few of my friends are integrated
users then thats fine, however I havn't used or needed to use an
office program for the last 20 years as my job and in fact life
does not require them.
I do have libre office and jarte and use thunderbird so I am as
far away from most microsoft programs as I can be bar the x box
insider stuff right now.
I do realise that I am one of a minority like this .
As for microsoft forcing you, they are making it harder for you
to get a local account off the bat meaning you will have to jump
through hoops to get it.
I know its trivial but I just don't like the behaviour, as a user
I want a choice in what I do and when I do it.
I know that others like everything pushed at them but I don't.
I grew up in an era where I could just push and pull when I
needed.
I don't generally run any background app in the background unless
I need it for example.
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On 3/03/2020 8:33 am, Tyler Wood wrote:
I do not understand your logic at all,
Sean. I can’t even begin to comprehend your reasoning.
You don’t want to use a Microsoft account
because you claim they don’t offer services, yet you just
listed at least 5 services that are, by and large, dead
useful. OneDrive keeps your documents and data synchronized
across devices without having to change where your documents
folder resides. Office 365 is fantastic and I am in fact using
it right now. It is super simple to synchronize settings – why
go through the work of doing it on all devices when Microsoft
syncs it across? Windows insider and xbox features are useful
– Microsoft store apps will install automatically after you
sign in. I can go on. And why are you calling it crap? It
doesn’t impact you in any other way and using a local account
certainly doesn’t make you any safer or offer any benefits. It
isn’t like Microsoft is forcing you to be connected to the
internet when you sign in using their account. You log onto
your computer the same either way, internet or not.
I don't think microsoft is isolated. I say just go
with the change and get a microsoft account. It's
actually very easy, and the services you don't need, you
don't need to use. It's that simple.
Sarah Alawami, owner of TFFP. . For more info go to
our website.
to subscribe to the feed click here and you can also follow us on twitter
Our discord is where you will
know when we go live on [twitch.](http://twitch.tv/ke7zum]
Feel free to give the channel a follow and see what is
up there.
For stream archives, products you can buy and more
visit my main lbry page and my tffp lbry page
Finally, to become a patron and help support the
podcast go here
On 2 Mar 2020, at 9:48, Shaun Everiss wrote:
I like my local account to be honest.
Lets see reasons not to use a microsoft account
include that with thirdparty stuff gone, you just use
office, onedrive, and hmmm cortana anda few other
services.
Apart from the fact I can use 90% of everything
via an email and apps account I see no advantage to me
personally.
I don't use and never will use outlook, and as
for office I can get third party offices if I really
need to.
Whats left, hmmm settings sync, even then I can
easily put them back.
The only things that may sway me a little are
todo and onenote but I am sure I can do it via apps.
I am not a windows insider but I am one in xbox
but I can do it via app.
Microsoft is not google, with it shrinking itself
into itself, the only reason I need a microsoft
account is to use microsoft services.
Unless they get rid of email and apps accounts I
struggle to see what I can't get and use that I am
allready using.
Bar forcing me to use their account there is no
compelling reason to use and I will try to make sure I
can get a local or get off the crappy microsoft
account to a local because its crap now.
If microsoft don't want me to tell them their
stuff is crap then, for goodness sake do what everyone
else done and add services.
Get the music store back or something like it drm
free.
Give me audio described movies, epub ebooks, and
all the other stuff that makes my google and other
experiences so cool.
The reason its so bad now is that microsoft is
cutting down to just their stuff and while I see for a
corperate or business person a reason to do this for
an average home user like me just doesn't cut it.
I need more reasons than I can use microsoft
services to access a microsoft account.
Microsoft services include office which I don't
currently use, outlook.com which I don't currently
use, cortana which not do I not use it but I will be
taking it off as soon as I can because itself is
limited to microsoft services.
Oh and onedrive which I don't use.
Yes I do use weather but its not as acurate as
some other places I use and I can access it online.
I don't care or need settings synced and I don't
care about timeline or anything to do with my
activity.
I am a single user in a home not a secured
office.
I am hardly on the go and certainly in places
where it could be a problem I don't go away enough to
justify taking my laptop as I am never away long.
If microsoft would act like a normal content
previder then maybe I'd actually take them seriously.
But right now I am finding it down right
difficult to do that if all they will support is their
services most of which I don't or hardly use.
And while leaving all the other voice assistants
alone is fine on mobile devices, if I were microsoft
I'd also just get rid of their account entirely,
because right now I don't think any user that isn't
sucked in and even those that are actually use it that
much.
I do have a friend like myself with the same
frustrations.
Yes he loggs in with a microsoft account and did
it for quite a while.
He no longer does it because of the isolated way
microsoft seems to be going.
I do understand where microsoft is going in
reguards to linked business, but in that case maybe
there needs to be a consumer version of windows say
home without the microsoft account at all I just don't
know how much they have left if they keep streamlining
like this, they have done it to much.
They have games and business stuff, but if they
want the users to take them seriously, home kit would
be a good market for them to step in and integrating
with everything else would be good to.
Now I have friends some in business or in
agreements where they are locked into using a
microsoft account and they do have linked pcs, phones
and the like and it does work well for them.
However I do have equally people locked in which
are trying hard to get away from all of it.
My dad is one such person like me, he doesn't use
the cloud much just a dropbox.
Microsoft has to realise that while yes a lot of
stuff is online the users want control when and where
they use it.
That includes when they login to it.
I think that logging into a microsoft account for
windows is a nice way to get data and its a good
marketing ploy but for me the user it means its in my
face and I'd like more control
With the apps and email accounts set, I know my
apps will work but I have control of them, when I open
and close them, etc.
My pc is not a smart phone or other device!!!
It! is! a! computer!!
And my personal computer is not going to need to
be online all day long on office necessarily anyway.
The 1 size fits all doesn't always work even
though I know a lot of the world uses it and I whish
they didn't.
On 3/03/2020 5:42 am, Sarah k
Alawami wrote:
I'm actually glad MS is goign that way. I'd
rather be logged in to my microsoft account to
access everything and everythign just works
after that. I will never go local again. Now
let's just hope I don't eat my wording.
Sarah Alawami, owner of TFFP. . For more
info go to our website.
to subscribe to the feed click here and you can
also follow us on twitter
Our discord is where
you will know when we go live on [twitch.](http://twitch.tv/ke7zum]
Feel free to give the channel a follow and see
what is up there.
For stream archives, products you can buy
and more visit my main lbry page
and my tffp lbry page
Finally, to become a patron and help
support the podcast go here
On 1 Mar 2020, at 22:11, Shaun Everiss
wrote:
Hmmm probably because they just don't
want to compete.
With spotify taking their music service
who knows.
Rumors are that cortana will be an app.
And while I like my microsoft account the
advantage of not logging on with it is that I
can simply choose what and when some of those
online notifications are pushed.
I also don't need to have my data always
in microsoft's pocket.
With their music gone bar apps I am
unsure what is left.
Looks like we will have to have our nets
unplugged in order to get a local.
The other way is to have both a local and
ms account and that may actually not be a bad
thing in the long run.
The local could be the admin, the ms
could be the other or the ms could be admin
but it depends what you are doing.
I have joined several insider things but
who knows.
Microsoft keeps mentioning this microsoft
360 so it sounds like there will be a version
of windows thats subscription based.
On 2/03/2020 5:37 pm,
Sieghard Weitzel wrote:
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