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Re: Windows Audio Device Graph Isolation

William
 

Yes, but I see that Win10 can automatically detect your needed drivers and download it for you through update in setting

Hamit Campos 於 22/11/2020 1:06 寫道:

Ah then if those aren't paired yet pare them and you can use them in place of the Dell audio. As to Luke's point. I don't know maybe he's right now but when I refreshed my 3847 tower I then had to re-install the audio drivers. Good thing I had saved them because that tower's page is now gone.

-----Original Message-----
From: win10@win10.groups.io <win10@win10.groups.io> On Behalf Of William Wong
Sent: Saturday, November 21, 2020 3:26 AM
To: win10@win10.groups.io
Subject: Re: [win10] Windows Audio Device Graph Isolation

bluetooth things?

I do have some wirelessbluetooth speaker.Hamit Campos 於 21/11/2020 9:56
寫道:

Do you have at least something like 1 of the Olympus DM recorders? Or any USB or Blu-Tooth thing you may have hooked to the PC? Cause you can use that in the place of the mother board for the mean time.

-----Original Message-----
From: win10@win10.groups.io <win10@win10.groups.io> On Behalf Of
William Wong
Sent: Friday, November 20, 2020 6:38 PM
To: win10@win10.groups.io
Subject: Re: [win10] Windows Audio Device Graph Isolation

No, all the things are done on myself, then I probably need someone to help me look at the monitor.

JM Casey 於 21/11/2020 4:36 寫道:
It can certainly be turned back on. it might be worth doing this just to see if it will indeed affect the ram issue you are having. Can they remot into your computer?
I guess you don't use a braille display, so being without speech would be a problem.


-----Original Message-----
From: win10@win10.groups.io <win10@win10.groups.io> On Behalf Of
William Wong
Sent: November 20, 2020 07:09 AM
To: win10@win10.groups.io
Subject: Re: [win10] Windows Audio Device Graph Isolation

Dell technical support insisted that I have to try disabling this, so how should I deal with it?

After disabling this, can this return to normal?



luke scholey via groups.io 於 19/11/2020 15:38 寫道:
Hi William

Disabling this will unfortunately cause audio to stop on your system.

Can I ask which model Dell laptop you’re using?

The likely fix is to switch from the default Dell audio driver which I think is the Realtech Audio Driver, to the standard Microsoft driver, called HD Audio, by updating the driver.

You can do this from Control Panel > hardware and sound > Device manager > sound, video and game controllers (in the tree view).

Instead of searching for updates on the internet automatically, choose the manual option and select the button that will allow the user to choose a driver from a compatible list of drivers in the same category. Usually there will only be two drivers in this list, the current driver and the default MS driver HD Audio. This is the one you want. Just a note that your laptop will need to restart before using the new driver.

Hope that helps, let me know if you have any trouble.

Kind regards
Luke

On 19 Nov 2020, at 05:06, William Wong <sine.kazurin@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi,

In reporting the ram usage issue of my new computer, dell technical asked me to try disable Windows Audio Device Graph Isolation in task manager.


I am not sure if disabling this will affect screen reader like nvda?


Thanks,

William

























Re: Windows Audio Device Graph Isolation

William
 

I dont understand.

Others windows do also have this process, but other pcs dont have this issue, so the ram issue is not related to process but hardware isnt it?


enes sarıbaş 於 22/11/2020 6:33 寫道:

The reason they ask you to do this is that this process baloons ram when audio effects run  for some reason. I have experienced it to have a memory leak.

On 11/18/2020 11:05 PM, William Wong wrote:
Hi,

In reporting the ram usage issue of my new computer, dell technical asked me to try disable Windows Audio Device Graph Isolation in task manager.


I am not sure if disabling this will affect screen reader like nvda?


Thanks,

William








virus check.

Billy Inglis
 

how to run a virus scan in windows10?.


Re: Adding an emoji

Holly
 

Siegardt:
 
Are you using any Win 7 machines, or just Win 10?


Re: Adding an emoji

 

Sorry, Holly, I can't reproduce this on any of my PC's, whatever Jaws announces is what is inserted and Jaws reads it correctly after it is inserted

 

 

From: win10@win10.groups.io <win10@win10.groups.io> On Behalf Of Holly
Sent: Sunday, November 22, 2020 10:16 PM
To: win10@win10.groups.io
Subject: Re: [win10] Adding an emoji

 

Siegardt:

 

Yes, JAWS always announces the correct name, but sometimes the graphic is not right.

 

I.e. Sometimes the ‘rolling on the floor laughing’ emoji has just a tiny square with a question mark inside.


Re: Adding an emoji

Holly
 

Siegardt:
 
Yes, JAWS always announces the correct name, but sometimes the graphic is not right.
 
I.e. Sometimes the ‘rolling on the floor laughing’ emoji has just a tiny square with a question mark inside.


Re: Adding an emoji

 

And Jaws read both emojies correctly

 

From: win10@win10.groups.io <win10@win10.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Sunday, November 22, 2020 1:01 PM
To: win10@win10.groups.io
Subject: Re: [win10] Adding an emoji

 

Holly,

Both are present and visible.  I presume you know that I'm fully sighted, not that this is important, per se, but when I say visible I mean literally.

--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 2004, Build 19041
The purpose of education is not to validate ignorance but to overcome it. 
       ~ Lawrence Krauss


Re: settings app crashes when I try and enter game mode settings

Sarah k Alawami
 

Yeah I know why. And actually you are the only one who has complained. There was indeed a crash, the settings app just goes away. I have many sighted viewers on twitch who actually like what i use to record/edit etc. Anyway I think I do know what the issue is. If I am right I will be writing to the nvda list probably some time this week, as I think we have a broken add on on our hands.

--

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Check out my adventures with a shadow machine.

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On 22 Nov 2020, at 15:34, Brian Vogel wrote:

Sarah,

            I don't know what in heaven's name you used to record this, but it is hellishly difficult to watch.  It's like a psychedelic acid trip with a mini window bouncing around on top of changing colors that veil larger stuff behind it.  I got through as much as I could, and did not see a crash.  Same behavior for the fix MP4.

            If your intention is to provide something like this to potential assistants, that you use something else, anything else, to record what you're trying to capture.  For myself, I find what you've offered entirely unusable.  And this is not meant personally, as I have no idea whether you've ever received any feedback on whatever it is you're using, or if you'd ever used it before.

--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 2004, Build 19041
The purpose of education is not to validate ignorance but to overcome it. 
       ~ Lawrence Krauss


Re: settings app crashes when I try and enter game mode settings

Brian Vogel <britechguy@...>
 

Sarah,

            I don't know what in heaven's name you used to record this, but it is hellishly difficult to watch.  It's like a psychedelic acid trip with a mini window bouncing around on top of changing colors that veil larger stuff behind it.  I got through as much as I could, and did not see a crash.  Same behavior for the fix MP4.

            If your intention is to provide something like this to potential assistants, that you use something else, anything else, to record what you're trying to capture.  For myself, I find what you've offered entirely unusable.  And this is not meant personally, as I have no idea whether you've ever received any feedback on whatever it is you're using, or if you'd ever used it before.

--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 2004, Build 19041
The purpose of education is not to validate ignorance but to overcome it. 
       ~ Lawrence Krauss


Re: settings app crashes when I try and enter game mode settings

Sarah k Alawami
 

After some quick testing, I did not make it crash with narrator, and when I disabled all the add ons in nvda I could get it to work. I think I know what might be causing the thing to crash but I need to do some more testing to be sure.

Here is the crash and here is what I did to kind of fix the problem.

--

Sarah Alawami, owner of TFFP. . For more info go to our website.

Check out my adventures with a shadow machine.

to subscribe to the feed click here and you can also follow us on twitter

Our discord is where you will know when we go live on twitch. Feel free to give the channel a follow and see what is up there.

For stream archives, products you can buy and more visit my main lbry page and my tffp lbry page You will also be able to buy some of my products and eBooks there.

Finally, to become a patron and help support the podcast go here

On 22 Nov 2020, at 12:59, Brian Vogel wrote:

On Sun, Nov 22, 2020 at 03:23 PM, Sarah k Alawami wrote:

Now, can anyone else reproduce this what ever this would be called?

-
Whether NVDA is in use, or not, I can go to Settings, Gaming, Game Mode, and get into the pane to toggle Game Mode ON/OFF without any issue.

Were I you, and I wanted to fix this, try Using SFC (System File Checker) and DISM (Deployment Imaging Servicing and Management) to Repair Windows 8 & 10 ( https://drive.google.com/uc?export=download&id=0B98uELZbPFnOc2l4M0Y1V3pkcGM )
That's the universal (for me, anyway) first step to try when anything related to the Windows 10 OS itself is misbehaving.  And there's nothing more related to the Windows 10 OS itself than Settings.

--

Brian *-* Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 2004, Build 19041
The purpose of education is not to validate ignorance but to overcome it.
~ Lawrence Krauss



Re: settings app crashes when I try and enter game mode settings

Sarah k Alawami
 

Per my beginning statement, I already did this. And I can't really repair my windows box right now. But the runthrough of both came out all clean, nothingn is broken.

--

Sarah Alawami, owner of TFFP. . For more info go to our website.

Check out my adventures with a shadow machine.

to subscribe to the feed click here and you can also follow us on twitter

Our discord is where you will know when we go live on twitch. Feel free to give the channel a follow and see what is up there.

For stream archives, products you can buy and more visit my main lbry page and my tffp lbry page You will also be able to buy some of my products and eBooks there.

Finally, to become a patron and help support the podcast go here

On 22 Nov 2020, at 12:59, Brian Vogel wrote:

On Sun, Nov 22, 2020 at 03:23 PM, Sarah k Alawami wrote:
Now, can anyone else reproduce this what ever this would be called?
-
Whether NVDA is in use, or not, I can go to Settings, Gaming, Game Mode, and get into the pane to toggle Game Mode ON/OFF without any issue.

Were I you, and I wanted to fix this, try Using SFC (System File Checker) and DISM (Deployment Imaging Servicing and Management) to Repair Windows 8 & 10
That's the universal (for me, anyway) first step to try when anything related to the Windows 10 OS itself is misbehaving.  And there's nothing more related to the Windows 10 OS itself than Settings.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 2004, Build 19041
The purpose of education is not to validate ignorance but to overcome it. 
       ~ Lawrence Krauss


Re: settings app crashes when I try and enter game mode settings

Sarah k Alawami
 

Yep. And I can enter every other setting except game settings. This is on my base machine, I'm assuming my shadow is going to be oK. Bleh. I really don't know why my settings app is crashing like this and only with this setting.

--

Sarah Alawami, owner of TFFP. . For more info go to our website.

Check out my adventures with a shadow machine.

to subscribe to the feed click here and you can also follow us on twitter

Our discord is where you will know when we go live on twitch. Feel free to give the channel a follow and see what is up there.

For stream archives, products you can buy and more visit my main lbry page and my tffp lbry page You will also be able to buy some of my products and eBooks there.

Finally, to become a patron and help support the podcast go here

On 22 Nov 2020, at 12:26, Tyler Wood wrote:

Not over here.

I also searched on google (as I’m also assuming you did too) and did not see anything related to this.

 

 

From: win10@win10.groups.io <win10@win10.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sarah k Alawami
Sent: Sunday, November 22, 2020 2:23 PM
To: win10@win10.groups.io
Subject: Re: [win10] settings app crashes when I try and enter game mode settings

 

Well, that's all well and good. Now, can anyone else reproduce this what ever this would be called? See OP for steps.

--

Sarah Alawami, owner of TFFP. . For more info go to our website.

Check out my adventures with a shadow machine.

to subscribe to the feed click here and you can also follow us on twitter

Our discord is where you will know when we go live on twitch. Feel free to give the channel a follow and see what is up there.

For stream archives, products you can buy and more visit my main lbry page and my tffp lbry page You will also be able to buy some of my products and eBooks there.

Finally, to become a patron and help support the podcast go here

On 22 Nov 2020, at 11:24, Brian Vogel wrote:

Sarah,

         At the moment, even if you were inclined to attempt a repair install, it would not be able to complete.  The bug that's blocking the "Keep files and apps" choice for a repair install has been fixed, and is available for manual download, but has not been pushed out via Windows Update yet.  I believe it's supposed to go out in very early December.  Information on the preview update that fixes the repair update bug can be found here: KB4586853 CU Windows 10 v2004 build 19041.661 and v20H2 19042.661

         I'll add information to the topic I created when this bug was first being reported once I know that the fix is going out by Windows Update.  By the time it is pushed out it may be part of an entirely different KB number cumulative update.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 2004, Build 19041
The purpose of education is not to validate ignorance but to overcome it. 
       ~ Lawrence Krauss


Re: Adding an emoji

Brian Vogel <britechguy@...>
 

Holly,

Both are present and visible.  I presume you know that I'm fully sighted, not that this is important, per se, but when I say visible I mean literally.

--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 2004, Build 19041
The purpose of education is not to validate ignorance but to overcome it. 
       ~ Lawrence Krauss


Re: settings app crashes when I try and enter game mode settings

Brian Vogel <britechguy@...>
 

On Sun, Nov 22, 2020 at 03:23 PM, Sarah k Alawami wrote:
Now, can anyone else reproduce this what ever this would be called?
-
Whether NVDA is in use, or not, I can go to Settings, Gaming, Game Mode, and get into the pane to toggle Game Mode ON/OFF without any issue.

Were I you, and I wanted to fix this, try Using SFC (System File Checker) and DISM (Deployment Imaging Servicing and Management) to Repair Windows 8 & 10
That's the universal (for me, anyway) first step to try when anything related to the Windows 10 OS itself is misbehaving.  And there's nothing more related to the Windows 10 OS itself than Settings.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 2004, Build 19041
The purpose of education is not to validate ignorance but to overcome it. 
       ~ Lawrence Krauss


Re: settings app crashes when I try and enter game mode settings

Tyler Wood
 

Not over here.

I also searched on google (as I’m also assuming you did too) and did not see anything related to this.

 

 

From: win10@win10.groups.io <win10@win10.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sarah k Alawami
Sent: Sunday, November 22, 2020 2:23 PM
To: win10@win10.groups.io
Subject: Re: [win10] settings app crashes when I try and enter game mode settings

 

Well, that's all well and good. Now, can anyone else reproduce this what ever this would be called? See OP for steps.

--

Sarah Alawami, owner of TFFP. . For more info go to our website.

Check out my adventures with a shadow machine.

to subscribe to the feed click here and you can also follow us on twitter

Our discord is where you will know when we go live on twitch. Feel free to give the channel a follow and see what is up there.

For stream archives, products you can buy and more visit my main lbry page and my tffp lbry page You will also be able to buy some of my products and eBooks there.

Finally, to become a patron and help support the podcast go here

On 22 Nov 2020, at 11:24, Brian Vogel wrote:

Sarah,

         At the moment, even if you were inclined to attempt a repair install, it would not be able to complete.  The bug that's blocking the "Keep files and apps" choice for a repair install has been fixed, and is available for manual download, but has not been pushed out via Windows Update yet.  I believe it's supposed to go out in very early December.  Information on the preview update that fixes the repair update bug can be found here: KB4586853 CU Windows 10 v2004 build 19041.661 and v20H2 19042.661

         I'll add information to the topic I created when this bug was first being reported once I know that the fix is going out by Windows Update.  By the time it is pushed out it may be part of an entirely different KB number cumulative update.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 2004, Build 19041
The purpose of education is not to validate ignorance but to overcome it. 
       ~ Lawrence Krauss


Re: settings app crashes when I try and enter game mode settings

Sarah k Alawami
 

Well, that's all well and good. Now, can anyone else reproduce this what ever this would be called? See OP for steps.

--

Sarah Alawami, owner of TFFP. . For more info go to our website.

Check out my adventures with a shadow machine.

to subscribe to the feed click here and you can also follow us on twitter

Our discord is where you will know when we go live on twitch. Feel free to give the channel a follow and see what is up there.

For stream archives, products you can buy and more visit my main lbry page and my tffp lbry page You will also be able to buy some of my products and eBooks there.

Finally, to become a patron and help support the podcast go here

On 22 Nov 2020, at 11:24, Brian Vogel wrote:

Sarah,

         At the moment, even if you were inclined to attempt a repair install, it would not be able to complete.  The bug that's blocking the "Keep files and apps" choice for a repair install has been fixed, and is available for manual download, but has not been pushed out via Windows Update yet.  I believe it's supposed to go out in very early December.  Information on the preview update that fixes the repair update bug can be found here: KB4586853 CU Windows 10 v2004 build 19041.661 and v20H2 19042.661

         I'll add information to the topic I created when this bug was first being reported once I know that the fix is going out by Windows Update.  By the time it is pushed out it may be part of an entirely different KB number cumulative update.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 2004, Build 19041
The purpose of education is not to validate ignorance but to overcome it. 
       ~ Lawrence Krauss


Re: Adding an emoji

Holly
 

Brian:
 
I will try to add an emoji at the bottom of this email.  First with JAWS, which will be the ‘rolling on the floor laughing’ one, and with Narrator, which will be ‘two hearts’.
 
Let me know if either shows up.
 
🤣💕


Re: Adding an emoji

Holly
 

OK, I will try with narrator, as I don’t have NVDA.


Re: Adding an emoji

Brian Vogel <britechguy@...>
 

Holly,

         Then the first thing I'd try as a differential diagnostic is using another screen reader when trying to insert an emoji.  That would rule in JAWS as a likely culprit if everything works fine with another screen reader, or rule it out as the likely culprit if the issue persists.

         Differential diagnosis of root causes is a tedious process of elimination where you have to take out factors one by one and hope you hit upon something as the beginning steps.

          For something like using another screen reader, that's easy and straightforward and it gives you a lot of information right off the bat.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 2004, Build 19041
The purpose of education is not to validate ignorance but to overcome it. 
       ~ Lawrence Krauss


Re: settings app crashes when I try and enter game mode settings

Brian Vogel <britechguy@...>
 

Sarah,

         At the moment, even if you were inclined to attempt a repair install, it would not be able to complete.  The bug that's blocking the "Keep files and apps" choice for a repair install has been fixed, and is available for manual download, but has not been pushed out via Windows Update yet.  I believe it's supposed to go out in very early December.  Information on the preview update that fixes the repair update bug can be found here: KB4586853 CU Windows 10 v2004 build 19041.661 and v20H2 19042.661

         I'll add information to the topic I created when this bug was first being reported once I know that the fix is going out by Windows Update.  By the time it is pushed out it may be part of an entirely different KB number cumulative update.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 2004, Build 19041
The purpose of education is not to validate ignorance but to overcome it. 
       ~ Lawrence Krauss

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