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Re: Windows 10 20H2 bug breaks in-place upgrade feature (which also means it breaks repair installs, too) #WinTen20H2

 

If anyone has a desperate need to have this bug fixed, a patch has already been made, it's just not yet being pushed out via Windows Update, but will be.

If you're in a real bind, see:  https://www.tenforums.com/windows-1...-v2004-build-19041-661-v20h2-19042-661-a.html 

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Windows 10 20H2 bug breaks in-place upgrade feature (which also means it breaks repair installs, too) #WinTen20H2

 

This is important enough that it needs a direct announcement here.  Please read the linked article on BleepingComputer, which came out this afternoon (on 11/16/2020):

Windows 10 20H2 bug breaks in-place upgrade feature

If you are someone who uses this technique either to do repair installs or in-place Feature Updates we're going to have to await a fix from Microsoft.
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Re: Can someone please help with a nasty Windows Defender issue?

 

This just in as of this afternoon, and it has a direct bearing on Repair Installs/In-Place Upgrades for those who already have 20H2:

Windows 10 20H2 bug breaks in-place upgrade feature
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Re: Microphone Sensitivity Level

Allen West
 

Yes. I have build 20257.1. I am running an insiders build.

Allen

On 11/16/20, Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi,

Are you sure you meant build 19041? Build 20257 is not 2004 - it is an
Insider dev channel build.

Cheers,

Joseph






Re: Microphone Sensitivity Level

 

Hi,

Are you sure you meant build 19041? Build 20257 is not 2004 - it is an Insider dev channel build.

Cheers,

Joseph


Re: About running a lower version of Win10 setup file inside a higher version of Win10

Sarah k Alawami
 

Did you call many times and get different people and tell them what is going on and insist you got this thing now 10 or 15 day ago? Something seems off here in terms of said return. Did you also take it back to your computer shop? And if so, what did they say when you tried to return it there?

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On 16 Nov 2020, at 1:18, William Wong wrote:

Well, the Dell here told me that they do not have a unlimited return or refund policy.

Return or refund can only be made if they can identify the source of the problem.


Brian Vogel 於 16/11/2020 1:01 寫道:
On Sun, Nov 15, 2020 at 04:03 AM, William Wong wrote:
if my new Dell pc do not have problem.
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And with every one of these gyrations you make it more and more possible for Dell to deny service.  It doesn't matter, one iota, what's wrong.  If it's a new machine and still under the return window, then return it.  If it's still under warranty get warranty service.  Doing otherwise just makes it more and more likely that the manufacturer can find reason, legitimate or not, to deny either.
 
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Re: About running a lower version of Win10 setup file inside a higher version of Win10

 

On Mon, Nov 16, 2020 at 04:18 AM, William Wong wrote:
Return or refund can only be made if they can identify the source of the problem.
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If you are doing something under the direction of a company's tech support, that's an entirely different situation, and needs to be clearly stated.
 
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Re: About running a lower version of Win10 setup file inside a higher version of Win10

William
 

Well, the Dell here told me that they do not have a unlimited return or refund policy.

Return or refund can only be made if they can identify the source of the problem.


Brian Vogel 於 16/11/2020 1:01 寫道:

On Sun, Nov 15, 2020 at 04:03 AM, William Wong wrote:
if my new Dell pc do not have problem.
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And with every one of these gyrations you make it more and more possible for Dell to deny service.  It doesn't matter, one iota, what's wrong.  If it's a new machine and still under the return window, then return it.  If it's still under warranty get warranty service.  Doing otherwise just makes it more and more likely that the manufacturer can find reason, legitimate or not, to deny either.
 
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Re: In-Place Upgrade from Windows 7, 8, or 8.1 - Still Possible in November 2020

Billy Inglis
 

thanks Brian.

On 15/11/2020 23:15, Brian Vogel wrote:
On Sun, Nov 15, 2020 at 06:05 PM, Billy Inglis wrote:
if it would be possible for someone to take over my friends laptop
using something like team viewer?
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Of course it would, but if the goal is upgrading to Windows 10 that control can only be maintained up through the point that setup.exe is kicked off (or maybe a bit later) to do the upgrade.  The machine goes offline several times during the upgrade process, which will cut off the Teamviewer session, and I have very serious doubts you could reestablish it under the conditions imposed by the upgrade process, though I could be wrong about that.
It would make more sense to send the computer out for service.   My mother's facility is on full lockdown for visitors (including service providers) but not for sending goods in and out of the building.
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Re: Microphone Sensitivity Level

 

In addition to what Tim has mentioned, and you have to bring up Properties for the microphone being used, followed by going to the Levels tab and tweaking microphone volume and/or boost, and often the boost being changed has a far greater result with a far smaller reduction.

It is also possible that you might have a utility in the system tray/notification area supplied by your sound card maker that has additional settings.  Mine has one called DTS Studio sound and it has a "Recording Experience" section that allows for additional tweaking of microphone and speaker settings.
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Re: Microphone Sensitivity Level

tim
 

Never seen that setting there, but have seen it in
control panel, sounds, recording tab menu.
All setting for microphone even properties can be found there.

On 11/15/2020 8:28 PM, Allen West wrote:
Hi,
I need some help.
I am running Win10 Version 2004 (OS build 20257.1. When I was running
Win10 1909, I was able to go into privacy settings and find the
setting for microphone sensitivity.
I am trying to help a friend of mine, who uses Google Meets for her
job. She is also running Win10 2004. No matter how softly she speaks,
she is told that she is too loud. I cannot find the settings to help
her.
Thanks
Allen


Re: Microphone Sensitivity Level

Allen West
 

Sorry about the typo. I meant microphone sensitivity.

On 11/15/20, Allen West via groups.io <alwest0324=gmail.com@groups.io> wrote:
Hi,

I need some help.
I am running Win10 Version 2004 (OS build 20257.1. When I was running
Win10 1909, I was able to go into privacy settings and find the
setting for microphone sensitivity.
I am trying to help a friend of mine, who uses Google Meets for her
job. She is also running Win10 2004. No matter how softly she speaks,
she is told that she is too loud. I cannot find the settings to help
her.

Thanks

Allen






Microphone Sensitivity Level

Allen West
 

Hi,

I need some help.
I am running Win10 Version 2004 (OS build 20257.1. When I was running
Win10 1909, I was able to go into privacy settings and find the
setting for microphone sensitivity.
I am trying to help a friend of mine, who uses Google Meets for her
job. She is also running Win10 2004. No matter how softly she speaks,
she is told that she is too loud. I cannot find the settings to help
her.

Thanks

Allen


Re: In-Place Upgrade from Windows 7, 8, or 8.1 - Still Possible in November 2020

 

On Sun, Nov 15, 2020 at 06:31 PM, Hamit Campos wrote:
Again you’ll perhaps loose connection a few times like Brian said but these guys would have ways to deal with that that the average person doesn’t.
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I am not willing to presume that anyone involved in these conversations, including myself, would be using the paid version of Teamviewer.  And if that's the case, all "support" for anything that might occur is up to you.

The individual whose computer is to be updated has been previously characterized as elderly and in no way tech saavy, and with no one available to her (at least not in the immediately available sense) to assist in any way.  There is no way in Hades I'd want to be attempting something remotely with such a client, and have my sincere doubts that one could get Teamviewer installed and a remote session established given the constraints previously described.

What is being asked for is non-trivial, and though it could be done independently by someone so inclined, this is not someone so inclined.

The very best solution is hiring someone to do the work.  And even if it goes perfectly, I have my doubts as to how the user would adjust to Windows 10 sans any substantial assistance during her own learning curve.

This is a situation where there is absolutely no ideal way of handling anything, and I'm not going to pretend that I could come even close to proposing even a very good, let alone excellent, solution.  Sometimes all the options one has, including doing nothing, are sub-optimal.  This is one of those times.
 
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Re: In-Place Upgrade from Windows 7, 8, or 8.1 - Still Possible in November 2020

Hamit Campos
 

Who made this Laptop? Because now you all mention remote and I can’t believe I forgot about this maybe if Dell or HP they could do something. Again you’ll perhaps loose connection a few times like Brian said but these guys would have ways to deal with that that the average person doesn’t.

 

From: win10@win10.groups.io <win10@win10.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
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Subject: Re: [win10] In-Place Upgrade from Windows 7, 8, or 8.1 - Still Possible in November 2020

 

On Sun, Nov 15, 2020 at 06:05 PM, Billy Inglis wrote:

if it would be possible for someone to take over my friends laptop using something like team viewer?

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Of course it would, but if the goal is upgrading to Windows 10 that control can only be maintained up through the point that setup.exe is kicked off (or maybe a bit later) to do the upgrade.  The machine goes offline several times during the upgrade process, which will cut off the Teamviewer session, and I have very serious doubts you could reestablish it under the conditions imposed by the upgrade process, though I could be wrong about that.

It would make more sense to send the computer out for service.   My mother's facility is on full lockdown for visitors (including service providers) but not for sending goods in and out of the building.
 
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Re: In-Place Upgrade from Windows 7, 8, or 8.1 - Still Possible in November 2020

 

On Sun, Nov 15, 2020 at 06:05 PM, Billy Inglis wrote:
if it would be possible for someone to take over my friends laptop using something like team viewer?
-
Of course it would, but if the goal is upgrading to Windows 10 that control can only be maintained up through the point that setup.exe is kicked off (or maybe a bit later) to do the upgrade.  The machine goes offline several times during the upgrade process, which will cut off the Teamviewer session, and I have very serious doubts you could reestablish it under the conditions imposed by the upgrade process, though I could be wrong about that.

It would make more sense to send the computer out for service.   My mother's facility is on full lockdown for visitors (including service providers) but not for sending goods in and out of the building.
 
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Re: In-Place Upgrade from Windows 7, 8, or 8.1 - Still Possible in November 2020

Billy Inglis
 

hi again Brian, after much thought i'm wondering if it would be possible for someone to take over my friends laptop using something like team viewer?.
I am still thinking of ways to help her out.

On 12/11/2020 04:46, Brian Vogel wrote:
Here's how you can still get a free Windows 10 upgrade <https://www.zdnet.com/article/heres-how-you-can-still-get-a-free-windows-10-upgrade/>
Tip: You can still upgrade from Windows 7 to Windows 10 for free <https://www.pcworld.com/article/3513902/tip-you-can-still-upgrade-from-windows-7-to-windows-10-for-free.html>
How to Upgrade to Windows 10 From Windows 7 for Free <https://www.howtogeek.com/509087/how-to-upgrade-from-windows-7-to-windows-10-for-free/>
Free Upgrades from Windows 7 to Windows 10 Still Working in February 2020 <https://news.softpedia.com/news/free-upgrades-from-windows-7-to-windows-10-still-working-in-february-2020-529136.shtml>
Windows 7 is dead, but you can still upgrade to Windows 10 for free – here’s how to get it <https://www.techradar.com/news/ahead-of-windows-7s-death-you-can-still-upgrade-to-windows-10-for-free-heres-how-to-get-it>
And plenty more can be found via web search.  Look at the date on the first linked article, which is late September 2020.  And the most recent one I know of, done by a tech I know on one of the other forums on which I participate, was less than 2 weeks ago.
Given how much Microsoft still wants to get all Windows users using Windows 10, I have my doubts that this will ever be dropped as an option.
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Re: Can someone please help with a nasty Windows Defender issue?

enes sarıbaş
 

The reason I thought cloud would be better is that most people aren't unfortunate as I am, and have faster connections, like cable or fiber to download files. The ability in this case to skip the whole boot from media part would make this more accessible.

On 11/15/2020 1:50 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:
On Sun, Nov 15, 2020 at 02:39 PM, enes sarıbaş wrote:
He  could also do the cloud reset feature
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Absolutely true and correct.  The only reason I don't routinely use this is that if you have a significant connectivity issue during the downloading of the ISO (or it's equivalent, you still have to download the components necessary for the install) the process will abort.  And around here, with DSL, that can mean long waits as you have to start from scratch again.

The only reason I favor the bootable media method is that you have all the components necessary for the installation already in your possession, and can even do the clean install with no internet connectivity at all.  Windows 10 will install and function, and the formal activation with the existing digital license occurs automatically when you are next connected to the internet.  If you are connected while the process is going on, it will happen then.

Microsoft gives multiple different ways to get a new copy of Windows 10, and none of them are "wrong."  Whichever one you prefer, go for it!
 
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Re: Can someone please help with a nasty Windows Defender issue?

 

On Sun, Nov 15, 2020 at 02:39 PM, enes sarıbaş wrote:
He  could also do the cloud reset feature
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Absolutely true and correct.  The only reason I don't routinely use this is that if you have a significant connectivity issue during the downloading of the ISO (or it's equivalent, you still have to download the components necessary for the install) the process will abort.  And around here, with DSL, that can mean long waits as you have to start from scratch again.

The only reason I favor the bootable media method is that you have all the components necessary for the installation already in your possession, and can even do the clean install with no internet connectivity at all.  Windows 10 will install and function, and the formal activation with the existing digital license occurs automatically when you are next connected to the internet.  If you are connected while the process is going on, it will happen then.

Microsoft gives multiple different ways to get a new copy of Windows 10, and none of them are "wrong."  Whichever one you prefer, go for it!
 
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Re: Can someone please help with a nasty Windows Defender issue?

enes sarıbaş
 

He  could also do the cloud reset feature, that does a clean install from files downloaded from microsoft, and intigrates all updates.

On 11/15/2020 12:36 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:
Christo,

            Neither of those things detected should result in what you're experiencing.

             If you are landing in the dialog during a repair install where you would normally choose "keep files and apps" but are not permitted to do so, then I am with Tim that you should just bite the bullet and do a completely clean reinstall of Windows 10, Version 20H2.  You already have the instruction set for that in the "Britechguy's . . ." document.  The one you'll click through to download is Completely Clean Win10 (Re)install Using MCT to Download Win10 ISO File (link also given right here).

             Since you have already downloaded the ISO, you can use Rufus to burn it to a bootable USB.  If you have a fast internet connection, and really don't want to deal with Rufus, then instead follow these instructions:  Completely Clean Win10 (Re)install Using MCT to Create a Bootable USB Drive

 

 


              You will, of course, want to back up all of your user data first, even if that's just copying it off to another drive.  If you have a bunch of application programs installed (including suites for your printer/multi-function or the like) it makes sense to assemble these, too, so that you can make quick work of reinstalling them promptly.

              And not to rub salt in an open wound, but this is another teachable moment where the importance of taking full system image backups is shown again.  If you had one, you could simply have restored from it (or had someone restore it for you, if necessary) and had your system back to its former state in under an hour in most cases unless you have a massive system drive that has a lot of data on it.  Things such as what have happened to you can occur, at random, and at any time.  That's why taking full system image backups on some routine cycle, with "off-cycle" backups taken when indicated (e.g., you've installed a bunch of additional programs, uploaded a couple of thousand vacation pictures, spent the last several days ripping CDs and now have many new audio files), is so important.
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