Christo,

           If you would, please give the assembled an update on what you've tried so far, and whether or not the problem has been resolved.  Until then, I'm just going to sit on the sidelines.

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Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 2004, Build 19041
The purpose of education is not to validate ignorance but to overcome it. 
       ~ Lawrence Krauss

I have never once heard of someone even trying to roll back a Windows 10 version by trying to install over it with an older version and I certainly wouldn't try it.

As to installing "on a different drive" I don't know how one would do that, either, if the second drive is just that.  From everything I can tell about the Windows 10 setup it appears to check if the drive on to which the install is taking place is formatted, and active, as the boot device.

There are absolutely setups available for large companies, universities, etc., to image many drives that are then popped into the machines on which they will be the boot drive.  But that's an entirely different setup.
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Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 2004, Build 19041
The purpose of education is not to validate ignorance but to overcome it. 
       ~ Lawrence Krauss

I have never once heard of someone even trying to roll back a Windows 10 version by trying to install over it with an older version and I certainly wouldn't try it.

As to installing "on a different drive" I don't know how one would do that, either, if the second drive is just that.  From everything I can tell about the Windows 10 setup it appears to check if the drive on to which the install is taking place is formatted, and active, as the boot device.

There are absolutely setups available for large companies, universities, etc., to image many drives that are then popped into the machines on which they will be the boot drive.  But that's an entirely different setup.
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Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 2004, Build 19041
The purpose of education is not to validate ignorance but to overcome it. 
       ~ Lawrence Krauss

Christo,

           If you would, please give the assembled an update on what you've tried so far, and whether or not the problem has been resolved.  Until then, I'm just going to sit on the sidelines.

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Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 2004, Build 19041
The purpose of education is not to validate ignorance but to overcome it. 
       ~ Lawrence Krauss

Christo,

           If you would, please give the assembled an update on what you've tried so far, and whether or not the problem has been resolved.  Until then, I'm just going to sit on the sidelines.

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Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 2004, Build 19041
The purpose of education is not to validate ignorance but to overcome it. 
       ~ Lawrence Krauss

On Sat, Nov 14, 2020 at 04:17 AM, Christo de Klerk wrote:

This is a nasty thing and I have absolutely no idea what could have caused it.

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1.  And probably never will or could.  As a tech, I've long ago accepted the truism, "These things happen," and focusing on fixing them is a better use of time than trying to figure out the cause (which you can seldom control anyway).

2.  Did you try SFC & DISM first?  That will often solve the issue.

And as a general note, not aimed at anyone in particular, when I give instruction sets they are generally complete and field tested many, many times.  In the case of a Repair Install, there is no "option for" a repair install, a repair install is what you're doing by the process as a whole, if the ISO file is for the same version of Windows 10 you're currently running.  If the ISO file you download is for a newer version, then you're doing an in-place Feature Update.  No matter which you're doing, the steps are exactly the same.  It's the circumstance noted above that determines which, precisely, is actually occurring.
 
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Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 2004, Build 19041
The purpose of education is not to validate ignorance but to overcome it. 
       ~ Lawrence Krauss

On Sun, Nov 15, 2020 at 12:04 AM, enes sarıbaş wrote:

But if it is, its a significant fact if the scan result doesn't turn up anything.

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Then, please, for the love of heaven, tell me what the alternative is (barring downloading and installing a third party tool)?

Again:  You take what you can get.

The goal here is to try to get the system up and running again, and you use the tools available.

Your emphasis on the potential horror of missing even a couple of definition updates is an example of, "The perfect is the enemy of the good," writ large.  Good enough is good enough when you're in a bind.  If you've got another option, then offer it.  If you don't, then your original suggestion to run an offline scan, using the latest definitions that a given machine happens to have on it, is the way to go.
 
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Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 2004, Build 19041
The purpose of education is not to validate ignorance but to overcome it. 
       ~ Lawrence Krauss

On Sat, Nov 14, 2020 at 10:39 PM, enes sarıbaş wrote:

But Brian, we don't know  how long defenitions wern't updated.

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No we don't, and we can't under the current circumstances, but there's no reason to believe it's anything except the very last attempt.  Look in your own update history for definition updates and you'll see that.  It's the same KB number going all the way back.

So, again, I assert you take what you can get.  I'm really not concerned if the last definition update has not applied, and particularly because I do not believe this is in any way related to malware.
 
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Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 2004, Build 19041
The purpose of education is not to validate ignorance but to overcome it. 
       ~ Lawrence Krauss

On Sat, Nov 14, 2020 at 07:31 PM, enes sarıbaş wrote:

One problem though. Won't he need to find a way to update virus database, or will the offline utility initiate that process?

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I really don't know, but the probability of a single as yet unapplied definition update making the difference in what would be found is very small indeed.  You take what you can get.
 
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Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 2004, Build 19041
The purpose of education is not to validate ignorance but to overcome it. 
       ~ Lawrence Krauss

On Sat, Nov 14, 2020 at 07:31 PM, enes sarıbaş wrote:

One problem though. Won't he need to find a way to update virus database,
or will the offline utility initiate that process?

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I really don't know, but the probability of a single as yet unapplied
definition update making the difference in what would be found is very small
indeed.  You take what you can get.

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Brian *-* Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 2004, Build 19041
The purpose of education is not to validate ignorance but to overcome it.
~ Lawrence Krauss

On Nov 14, 2020, at 7:48 AM, Morey Worthington <worthington@wi.rr.com> wrote:

Morning All, or whatever time it is where you are.

Gmail address question.

I have only 1 Gmail address account set up. Using W10 newest and Jaws 2020.

Lets say the address I have set up is:

x.xxxxxxxxxx@gmail.com

Itt works just fine.

Now if I try to send me a message using the address:

xxxxxxxxxx@gmail.com x (with out the dot after the first x) it still arrives in the Gmail inbox. How can that be?

Sounds strange to me, but many things do, and wondering if anyone has had this happen?

Thanks

Morey Worthington

Hi tech gurus

I trust you are all well and safe where you are.

I am trying to cope.

1. May I bother you?

With NVDA, one can mark a block of text which one needs to delete.

To do that, you press nvda+shftf9 to mark the beginning of the block
and nvda+shftf10 to mark the end of the  block.

How is that done with JAWS?

2. how does one join JAWS mailing list? I am asking this, because I
tried to join in but without success.

Your assistance in this regard is appreciated in advance.

Regards
Wally Marisane: SA

I guess it would have been helpful to mention how to invoke a Windows Security offline scan from the command line, since you're unable to actually get access to Windows Security in Windows itself.

See this article:  How to Run a Microsoft Defender Offline Scan in Windows 10

If you prefer Powershell, search that article for Option One.  If you prefer Command Prompt, search that article for Option Two.  Those are the step-by-step starting points.

And for those unfamiliar with the phrase, "open an elevated . . .," that means open with administrator privileges.
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Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 2004, Build 19041
The purpose of education is not to validate ignorance but to overcome it. 
       ~ Lawrence Krauss