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Re: Can someone please help with a nasty Windows Defender issue?

 

On Sat, Nov 14, 2020 at 02:48 PM, enes sarıbaş wrote:
Several troubling signs make me think it is malware.
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And you could be absolutely right.  I'm just leaning the other way due to other experiences.  Running an offline scan should reveal something about which of us has the correct theory.  And it's not because of that revelation that it's a good idea, it should simply be done as a "knock one more thing off the potential possible root causes" list.
 
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Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 2004, Build 19041
The purpose of education is not to validate ignorance but to overcome it. 
       ~ Lawrence Krauss


Re: Can someone please help with a nasty Windows Defender issue?

enes sarıbaş
 

Hi Brian,

Several troubling signs make me think it is malware. Noteably, the administrator had limited access to the app happens when malware disables security apps from running, moreover, the defenition updater offline and online versions being terminated, and the app closing when attempting a quick scan all point to malware in my opinion.

On 11/14/2020 1:45 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:
On Sat, Nov 14, 2020 at 02:36 PM, enes sarıbaş wrote:
I see no wrong or detremental action here.
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Enes, no argument there.  But, and I've seen it again and again, this approach often starts getting used where it's entirely inappropriate, and madness ensues.

That's the primary reason I recommend the use of what I'll broadly call Windows Repair Techniques and Utilities.  It also has the added plus of potentially catching other "issues in the making" that haven't as yet exhibited themselves that a more laser focused method would not.

And your suggestion of an offline scan is an excellent one.  I personally don't think it's going to find anything, given the symptoms (the like of which I've encountered before due to Windows itself having screwed itself up somehow), but it absolutely never, ever hurts to do an offline scan for the sake of thoroughness, and preferably as one of the early steps, if not the very first.
 
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Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 2004, Build 19041
The purpose of education is not to validate ignorance but to overcome it. 
       ~ Lawrence Krauss


Re: Can someone please help with a nasty Windows Defender issue?

 

On Sat, Nov 14, 2020 at 02:36 PM, enes sarıbaş wrote:
I see no wrong or detremental action here.
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Enes, no argument there.  But, and I've seen it again and again, this approach often starts getting used where it's entirely inappropriate, and madness ensues.

That's the primary reason I recommend the use of what I'll broadly call Windows Repair Techniques and Utilities.  It also has the added plus of potentially catching other "issues in the making" that haven't as yet exhibited themselves that a more laser focused method would not.

And your suggestion of an offline scan is an excellent one.  I personally don't think it's going to find anything, given the symptoms (the like of which I've encountered before due to Windows itself having screwed itself up somehow), but it absolutely never, ever hurts to do an offline scan for the sake of thoroughness, and preferably as one of the early steps, if not the very first.
 
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Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 2004, Build 19041
The purpose of education is not to validate ignorance but to overcome it. 
       ~ Lawrence Krauss


Re: Can someone please help with a nasty Windows Defender issue?

enes sarıbaş
 

Honestly sounds alot like malware. An offline scan might be advisable.

On 11/14/2020 12:12 PM, Chris via groups.io wrote:

Yes, but it sounds that the issue is beyond repairing , a clean start is what is required here ,  keeping the problem aint gonna help

That I'm sure of

 

 

From: Brian Vogel
Sent: 14 November 2020 17:22
To: win10@win10.groups.io
Subject: Re: [win10] Can someone please help with a nasty Windows Defender issue?

 

On Sat, Nov 14, 2020 at 03:56 AM, Chris wrote:

Settings > update and security > recovery > reset this pc

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Not if you care about keeping all your previously installed Store Apps or regular applications.

You have an option to keep your user data files, but not apps, and most people I know do not want to lose all their installed software.  This is why I stopped recommending the Reset option long ago.  I keep hoping that Microsoft is going to eventually make Reset have a "Keep apps and user data" option like a Repair Install does, but no on eI know has reported the appearance of same.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 2004, Build 19041
The purpose of education is not to validate ignorance but to overcome it. 
       ~ Lawrence Krauss

 


Re: Can someone please help with a nasty Windows Defender issue?

enes sarıbaş
 

Hello Brian,

I hope you are aware that the mpam.msi file he downloaded is an offitial microsoft approved offline installer of defenitions. Moreover, microsoft support article on defenition explicitly recommends downloading and running if online install fails. I see no wrong or detremental action here.

On 11/13/2020 12:58 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:
Christo,

             First, for yourself and others for future reference, never, never, never attempt to tweak Windows Security by manually downloading anything like a specific MSI unless you are specifically doing so under the direction of a Microsoft Engineer.  That way can very often lie madness!

My standard advice with regard to any significant peculiarity with regard to when a known built-in component or feature of Windows 10 is misbehaving is not going to change:

1. Using SFC (System File Checker) and DISM (Deployment Imaging Servicing and Management) to Repair Windows 8 & 10

then, if that doesn't solve the problem move on to

2. Doing a Windows 10 Repair Install or Feature Update Using the Windows 10 ISO file

Step one is usually enough, but there are rare occasions when you do need to do a repair install of Windows 10 much like repair installs of other Microsoft software like Office.
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Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 2004, Build 19041
The purpose of education is not to validate ignorance but to overcome it. 
       ~ Lawrence Krauss


Re: Can someone please help with a nasty Windows Defender issue?

 

On Sat, Nov 14, 2020 at 01:32 PM, Chris wrote:
With due respect  Brian, we shall have to agree to disagree on this one
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Absolutely fine by me.  We've both put forward our positions and it's up to those reading them to make their own determinations regarding which proverbial road to follow.
 
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Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 2004, Build 19041
The purpose of education is not to validate ignorance but to overcome it. 
       ~ Lawrence Krauss


Re: Can someone please help with a nasty Windows Defender issue?

Chris
 

With due respect  Brian, we shall have to agree to disagree on this one

 

I shall say no more, have a good day 😃

 

 

From: Brian Vogel
Sent: 14 November 2020 18:21
To: win10@win10.groups.io
Subject: Re: [win10] Can someone please help with a nasty Windows Defender issue?

 

On Sat, Nov 14, 2020 at 01:12 PM, Chris wrote:

Yes, but it sounds that the issue is beyond repairing , a clean start is what is required here

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No, it's not, at least not as a first step.   A repair install completely replaces the existing Windows 10 installation with a new one, just like a Reset (and former Refresh) did, but allows you to keep your apps and files.

As my own extended instruction set, Britechguy’s Standard Advice Regarding Windows 10 Issues and Their Repair,
says at the end, after discussing doing a completely clean reinstall, "I never choose the “thermonuclear option,” the completely clean reinstall, until it's clear that this is the only viable option. I hate having to go through all the work of reconfiguring a machine from scratch if that can reasonably and safely be avoided."

It's always worth trying SFC/DISM, followed by a Repair Install if necessary, before ever considering a Reset or Completely Clean Install.  I haven't had to advance beyond a Repair Install for several years now.  It's only been necessary fewer times than I can count on one hand.

 

 
 
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Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 2004, Build 19041
The purpose of education is not to validate ignorance but to overcome it. 
       ~ Lawrence Krauss

 


Re: Can someone please help with a nasty Windows Defender issue?

 

On Sat, Nov 14, 2020 at 01:12 PM, Chris wrote:
Yes, but it sounds that the issue is beyond repairing , a clean start is what is required here
-
No, it's not, at least not as a first step.   A repair install completely replaces the existing Windows 10 installation with a new one, just like a Reset (and former Refresh) did, but allows you to keep your apps and files.

As my own extended instruction set, Britechguy’s Standard Advice Regarding Windows 10 Issues and Their Repair,
says at the end, after discussing doing a completely clean reinstall, "I never choose the “thermonuclear option,” the completely clean reinstall, until it's clear that this is the only viable option. I hate having to go through all the work of reconfiguring a machine from scratch if that can reasonably and safely be avoided."

It's always worth trying SFC/DISM, followed by a Repair Install if necessary, before ever considering a Reset or Completely Clean Install.  I haven't had to advance beyond a Repair Install for several years now.  It's only been necessary fewer times than I can count on one hand.

 

 
 
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Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 2004, Build 19041
The purpose of education is not to validate ignorance but to overcome it. 
       ~ Lawrence Krauss


Re: Can someone please help with a nasty Windows Defender issue?

Chris
 

Yes, but it sounds that the issue is beyond repairing , a clean start is what is required here ,  keeping the problem aint gonna help

That I'm sure of

 

 

From: Brian Vogel
Sent: 14 November 2020 17:22
To: win10@win10.groups.io
Subject: Re: [win10] Can someone please help with a nasty Windows Defender issue?

 

On Sat, Nov 14, 2020 at 03:56 AM, Chris wrote:

Settings > update and security > recovery > reset this pc

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Not if you care about keeping all your previously installed Store Apps or regular applications.

You have an option to keep your user data files, but not apps, and most people I know do not want to lose all their installed software.  This is why I stopped recommending the Reset option long ago.  I keep hoping that Microsoft is going to eventually make Reset have a "Keep apps and user data" option like a Repair Install does, but no on eI know has reported the appearance of same.
 
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Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 2004, Build 19041
The purpose of education is not to validate ignorance but to overcome it. 
       ~ Lawrence Krauss

 


Re: Can someone please help with a nasty Windows Defender issue?

 

On Sat, Nov 14, 2020 at 12:16 PM, tim wrote:
When you go to do the install is when you will be asked if your upgrading or repair.
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You are not asked this.  There is nothing with regard to repair or repairing.  Repairing is the process, and it is the same as doing an upgrade, you're just using the same version's ISO, rather than a newer version's ISO (or install media on USB), when doing a repair.

The dialog sequence is identical for a repair install or an in-place Feature Update on a system that is already running Windows 10..
 
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Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 2004, Build 19041
The purpose of education is not to validate ignorance but to overcome it. 
       ~ Lawrence Krauss


Re: Can someone please help with a nasty Windows Defender issue?

 

On Sat, Nov 14, 2020 at 04:17 AM, Christo de Klerk wrote:
This is a nasty thing and I have absolutely no idea what could have caused it.
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1.  And probably never will or could.  As a tech, I've long ago accepted the truism, "These things happen," and focusing on fixing them is a better use of time than trying to figure out the cause (which you can seldom control anyway).

2.  Did you try SFC & DISM first?  That will often solve the issue.

And as a general note, not aimed at anyone in particular, when I give instruction sets they are generally complete and field tested many, many times.  In the case of a Repair Install, there is no "option for" a repair install, a repair install is what you're doing by the process as a whole, if the ISO file is for the same version of Windows 10 you're currently running.  If the ISO file you download is for a newer version, then you're doing an in-place Feature Update.  No matter which you're doing, the steps are exactly the same.  It's the circumstance noted above that determines which, precisely, is actually occurring.
 
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Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 2004, Build 19041
The purpose of education is not to validate ignorance but to overcome it. 
       ~ Lawrence Krauss


Re: Can someone please help with a nasty Windows Defender issue?

 

On Sat, Nov 14, 2020 at 03:56 AM, Chris wrote:
Settings > update and security > recovery > reset this pc
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Not if you care about keeping all your previously installed Store Apps or regular applications.

You have an option to keep your user data files, but not apps, and most people I know do not want to lose all their installed software.  This is why I stopped recommending the Reset option long ago.  I keep hoping that Microsoft is going to eventually make Reset have a "Keep apps and user data" option like a Repair Install does, but no on eI know has reported the appearance of same.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 2004, Build 19041
The purpose of education is not to validate ignorance but to overcome it. 
       ~ Lawrence Krauss


Re: Can someone please help with a nasty Windows Defender issue?

tim
 

After you made the iso or usb drive. When you go to do the install is when you will be asked if your upgrading or repair.
You will never see that option before you have the file to do the work.

On 11/14/2020 4:17 AM, Christo de Klerk wrote:
Fanus
When you run the Media Creation Tool, after it got a few things together, you
will be presented with a screen with Legal, Support, Back and Next buttons, and
a radio button which, by default, is set to Upgrade this PC. Press down arrow
once which will give you the option to create an ISO file. I am at that point
now and ready to press Next. Let us hope this process will do it, because
nothing else so far has. I am following the steps provided by Brian Vogel. I
hope we both will be successful. This is a nasty thing and I have absolutely no
idea what could have caused it.
kind regards
Christo
On 2020/11/14 10:34am, Fanus wrote:

Hello Brian

I have more or less the same problem as Christo and I find no repair option when running the iso. There are only options for installing or downloading an iso file for installation on other machines, so how does one access the repair item?

Regards

Fanus

*From:*win10@win10.groups.io [mailto:win10@win10.groups.io] *On Behalf Of *Brian Vogel
*Sent:* Friday, November 13, 2020 8:58 PM
*To:* win10@win10.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: [win10] Can someone please help with a nasty Windows Defender issue?

Christo,

First, for yourself and others for future reference, never, never, never attempt to tweak Windows Security by manually downloading anything like a specific MSI unless you are specifically doing so under the direction of a Microsoft Engineer. That way can very often lie madness!

My standard advice with regard to any significant peculiarity with regard to when a known built-in component or feature of Windows 10 is misbehaving is not going to change:

1. Using SFC (System File Checker) and DISM (Deployment Imaging Servicing and Management) to Repair Windows 8 & 10 <https://drive.google.com/uc?export=download&;id=0B98uELZbPFnOc2l4M0Y1V3pkcGM>

then, if that doesn't solve the problem move on to

2. Doing a Windows 10 Repair Install or Feature Update Using the Windows 10 ISO file <https://drive.google.com/uc?export=download&;id=1RZiHlLVtXewYBgoSvJNm9_08hj1tALPK>

Step one is usually enough, but there are rare occasions when you do need to do a repair install of Windows 10 much like repair installs of other Microsoft software like Office.
--

Brian *-*Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 2004, Build 19041
/The purpose of education is not to validate ignorance but to overcome it./
~ Lawrence Krauss


Re: In-Place Upgrade from Windows 7, 8, or 8.1 - Still Possible in November 2020

 

For anyone who might be interested in checking when someone may have last done an in-place update from Windows 7/8/8.1 to Windows 10, I created a topic on a forum for computer technicians that asks this directly, and has requested that folks keep updating it over time.  I doubt that the capability will ever be removed, and if it were to be you can be certain that the entire tech world would light up (or fire up, in an angry blaze) with the news, but . . .

Though the forum is exclusively for computer techs as far as membership goes, anyone can read.  The topic is:

Free In-Place Upgrade from Windows 7/8/8.1 to 10 - When was your most recent one?
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Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 2004, Build 19041
The purpose of education is not to validate ignorance but to overcome it. 
       ~ Lawrence Krauss


Re: Gmail Question

 

Not really Windows 10 related, but since this is already out there, see:

Dots don't matter in Gmail addresses - Gmail Help

The Gmail Trick That's Been Around for 15 Years—But Few ...

The Period In My Gmail Address Has Been Haunting Me for Years

Use Gmail Dot Trick To Create Unlimited Accounts with a ...

Dots in Gmail addresses: What happens if you leave out the ...

or any of hundreds more returned by a web search on [Gmail email address dots].

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Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 2004, Build 19041
The purpose of education is not to validate ignorance but to overcome it. 
       ~ Lawrence Krauss


Re: Selecting Text - NVDA & JAWS, Plus JAWS Group Addresses

Marisane Moruthanyana
 

Thank you, sir.

On 11/14/20, Mike B <mb69mach1@fastmail.com> wrote:
Hi Wally,

Here some text selection keystrokes and below that will be links to join 2
Jaws groups.

Selecting / Highlighting text

Selecting a letter/character; Shift +left arrow selects prior character.
Shift + right arrow selects next character.

Selecting prior word; Insert/Jaws key, shift + left arrow or control,
shift, + left arrow.

Selecting next word; Insert/Jaws key, shift, + right arrow or control,
shift, + right arrow.

Selecting text from cursor to beginning of line; Shift + Home/7 key on
number pad.

Selecting text from cursor to end of line; Shift +End/1 on the number pad.

Selecting text from cursor to the end of a document; Control, shift, +
end/1 key on the number pad.

Selecting text from cursor to the beginning of a document; Control, shift,

+ home/7 key on the number pad.

Selecting more than 1 line of text; Hold the Shift key down while arrowing

up or down until you have selected/highlighted the lines you want.

Selecting all text; Control + A. This keystroke will select all the text
in a document no matter the size or length of the document.

to select a page at a time: shift page up or down

Jaws groups info:

Group 1:
JFW List Group Email Addresses

Post:
main@jfw.groups.io

Subscribe:
main+subscribe@jfw.groups.io

Unsubscribe:
main+unsubscribe@jfw.groups.io

Group 2:
Group Description

A group to discuss the JAWS for Windows screen reader.

Posting To This Group:
jfw-users@groups.io

To join this group, send an email to:
jfw-users+subscribe@groups.io

To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
jfw-users+unsubscribe@groups.io





Take care and stay safe. Mike. Sent from my iBarstool. Go Rams!
Main's Law: For every action there is an equal and opposite government
program.

----- Original Message -----
From: Marisane Moruthanyana
To: win10
Sent: Saturday, November 14, 2020 2:09 AM
Subject: [win10] your assistance


Hi tech gurus

I trust you are all well and safe where you are.

I am trying to cope.

1. May I bother you?

With NVDA, one can mark a block of text which one needs to delete.

To do that, you press nvda+shftf9 to mark the beginning of the block
and nvda+shftf10 to mark the end of the block.

How is that done with JAWS?

2. how does one join JAWS mailing list? I am asking this, because I
tried to join in but without success.

Your assistance in this regard is appreciated in advance.

Regards
Wally Marisane: SA










Re: In-Place Upgrade from Windows 7, 8, or 8.1 - Still Possible in November 2020

Billy Inglis
 

hi guys, Please no arguments. I will advise her to try find someone to do the job for her.

On 13/11/2020 19:05, Brian Vogel wrote:
Sieghard,
            Please do not put words into my mouth that I did not say, and specifically qualified.  I have had many blind individuals do this process individually.  They absolutely CAN do it independently.  That is a completely separate issue than whether they want to, and I have clearly said as much.
            I did not say, nor imply, that any individual, blind, sighted, or in-between should or must do anything.  It is intellectually dishonest to act as if I did.  Cherry picking a small segment of what I said, and I did say what you quoted, sans the rest of the qualifying context is just plain dishonest.
            And I've already said that if this individual cannot or will not do it herself, and she has no one in her personal circle that can or will do it, that the next logical step is, and I quote myself: Hire someone.
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Re: Gmail Question

Kerryn Gunness <k_gunness@...>
 

Yes it happened to me already, but that is not it is you to me

On 14 Nov 2020, at 8:48 AM, Morey Worthington <worthington@wi.rr.com> wrote:

Morning All, or whatever time it is where you are.

Gmail address question.

I have only 1 Gmail address account set up. Using W10 newest and Jaws 2020.

Lets say the address I have set up is:

x.xxxxxxxxxx@gmail.com

Itt works just fine.

Now if I try to send me a message using the address:

xxxxxxxxxx@gmail.com x (with out the dot after the first x) it still arrives in the Gmail inbox. How can that be?

Sounds strange to me, but many things do, and wondering if anyone has had this happen?

Thanks

Morey Worthington






Re: Selecting Text - NVDA & JAWS, Plus JAWS Group Addresses

Mike B
 


Hi Wally,
 
Here some text selection keystrokes and below that will be links to join 2 Jaws groups.
 
Selecting / Highlighting text
 
Selecting a letter/character;  Shift +left arrow selects prior character.  Shift + right arrow selects next character.
 
Selecting prior word;  Insert/Jaws key, shift + left arrow or control, shift, + left arrow.
 
Selecting next word;  Insert/Jaws key, shift, + right arrow or control, shift, + right arrow.
 
Selecting text from cursor to beginning of line;  Shift + Home/7 key on number pad.
 
Selecting text from cursor to end of line;  Shift +End/1 on the number pad.
 
Selecting text from cursor to the end of a document;  Control, shift, + end/1 key on the number pad.
 
Selecting text from cursor to the beginning of a document;  Control, shift, + home/7 key on the number pad.
 
Selecting more than 1 line of text;  Hold the Shift key down while arrowing up or down until you have selected/highlighted the lines you want.
 
Selecting all text;  Control + A.  This keystroke will select all the text in a document no matter the size or length of the document.
 
to select a page at a time: shift page up or down
 
 Jaws groups info:
 
Group 1:
 JFW List Group Email Addresses
 
 
 
 
Group 2:
Group Description
 
A group to discuss the JAWS for Windows screen reader.
 
Posting To This Group:
jfw-users@groups.io
 
To join this group, send an email to:
jfw-users+subscribe@groups.io
 
To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
jfw-users+unsubscribe@groups.io
 
 

 

Take care and stay safe.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.  Go Rams!
Main's Law:  For every action there is an equal and opposite government program.

----- Original Message -----
To: win10
Sent: Saturday, November 14, 2020 2:09 AM
Subject: [win10] your assistance

Hi tech gurus

I trust you are all well and safe where you are.

I am trying to cope.

1. May I bother you?

With NVDA, one can mark a block of text which one needs to delete.

To do that, you press nvda+shftf9 to mark the beginning of the block
and nvda+shftf10 to mark the end of the  block.

How is that done with JAWS?

2. how does one join JAWS mailing list? I am asking this, because I
tried to join in but without success.

Your assistance in this regard is appreciated in advance.

Regards
Wally Marisane: SA





Gmail Question

Morey Worthington
 

Morning All, or whatever time it is where you are.

Gmail address question.

I have only 1 Gmail address account set up. Using W10 newest and Jaws 2020.

Lets say the address I have set up is:

x.xxxxxxxxxx@gmail.com

Itt works just fine.

Now if I try to send me a message using the address:

xxxxxxxxxx@gmail.com x (with out the dot after the first x) it still  arrives in the Gmail inbox. How can that be?

Sounds strange to me, but many things do, and wondering if anyone has had this happen?

Thanks

Morey Worthington

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