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Re: [solved] missing start menu search field

 

Hi,

Is tablet mode on? To check, open Action center, then look at “tablet mode” control. If it is pressed, press Space to turn it off. Another place to look at is Settings (Windows+I)/Personalization/Start.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: win10@win10.groups.io <win10@win10.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brad Snyder
Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2020 1:10 PM
To: win10@win10.groups.io
Subject: Re: [win10] missing start menu search field

 

Hi Brian and Sarah,

 

I tried typing in a Search after pressing the Windows-key and nothing happened.

When I press the Windows-key, I hear JAWS say “Pin tiles list box”.

I get the same result when using NVDA, latest public release.

Yes, I have restarted my machine, and nothing changes.

 

- Brad -

 

On Sep 17, 2020, at 14:15, Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:

 

I'm on Win10 Version 2004, and when using NVDA 2020.2 after hitting the Windows Key I hear, "Start Window, Search Window, Search Box Edit Blank."

One can always try, Doing a Windows 10 Repair Install or Feature Update Using the Windows 10 ISO file, or rolling back the Cumulative Update and letting it reapply.  I actually find doing a repair install easier, but some don't.  I discuss how to roll back recently applied Windows Updates at the outset of, Britechguy’s Standard Advice Regarding Windows 10 Issues and Their Repair

 

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Re: [solved] missing start menu search field

Brad Snyder
 

Hi Brian and Sarah,

I tried typing in a Search after pressing the Windows-key and nothing happened.
When I press the Windows-key, I hear JAWS say “Pin tiles list box”.
I get the same result when using NVDA, latest public release.
Yes, I have restarted my machine, and nothing changes.

- Brad -


On Sep 17, 2020, at 14:15, Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:

I'm on Win10 Version 2004, and when using NVDA 2020.2 after hitting the Windows Key I hear, "Start Window, Search Window, Search Box Edit Blank."

One can always try, Doing a Windows 10 Repair Install or Feature Update Using the Windows 10 ISO file, or rolling back the Cumulative Update and letting it reapply.  I actually find doing a repair install easier, but some don't.  I discuss how to roll back recently applied Windows Updates at the outset of, Britechguy’s Standard Advice Regarding Windows 10 Issues and Their Repair
 
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Re: [solved] missing start menu search field

 

I'm on Win10 Version 2004, and when using NVDA 2020.2 after hitting the Windows Key I hear, "Start Window, Search Window, Search Box Edit Blank."

One can always try, Doing a Windows 10 Repair Install or Feature Update Using the Windows 10 ISO file, or rolling back the Cumulative Update and letting it reapply.  I actually find doing a repair install easier, but some don't.  I discuss how to roll back recently applied Windows Updates at the outset of, Britechguy’s Standard Advice Regarding Windows 10 Issues and Their Repair

 

--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 2004, Build 19041

A man's worst difficulties begin when he is able to do as he likes.

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Re: [solved] missing start menu search field

Sarah k Alawami
 

Actually 8in my case I still hear "start, search edit." and am using the latest nvda and 2004 updates.

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On 17 Sep 2020, at 11:19, Brian Vogel wrote:

Brad,

        If you were using the Windows Key and just started typing, the search field really isn't present until you start typing.  My guess is that something has changed about when Windows 10 exposes whatever it is that it exposes to the screen reader to get it to announce the search field.  You can still hit Windows Key and just start typing immediately.

        You also have the option of displaying the actual Windows Search button in the taskbar and using it instead to launch your search.  If you have focus on the taskbar itself and bring up the context menu you should have the Search option, and when activated it will give you a choice of two items:  Hidden and show search icon.  That way if you activate the search button (which is what the icon is used on) you'll know you've got focus on the Windows search edit box.

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Re: [solved] missing start menu search field

Sarah k Alawami
 

Are you positive? I still have mine and that was after an update last week, I dunno what that update is as I never bothered to check. Have you tired a reboot of yoru system?

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On 17 Sep 2020, at 9:29, Brad Snyder wrote:

As long as I have been using Windows 10, after pressing the Windows-key to open the Start Menu, my focus has been placed in a Search field, and JAWS speaks “Search box, edit text”, or something similar.  This Start Menu Search field was present following the Windows 10 Spring 2004 update, but following a recent Windows 10 Cumulative Update, has disappeared.

Does anyone know how to get it back??


- Brad -





Re: [solved] missing start menu search field

 

Brad,

        If you were using the Windows Key and just started typing, the search field really isn't present until you start typing.  My guess is that something has changed about when Windows 10 exposes whatever it is that it exposes to the screen reader to get it to announce the search field.  You can still hit Windows Key and just start typing immediately.

        You also have the option of displaying the actual Windows Search button in the taskbar and using it instead to launch your search.  If you have focus on the taskbar itself and bring up the context menu you should have the Search option, and when activated it will give you a choice of two items:  Hidden and show search icon.  That way if you activate the search button (which is what the icon is used on) you'll know you've got focus on the Windows search edit box.

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Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 2004, Build 19041

A man's worst difficulties begin when he is able to do as he likes.

       ~ Thomas H. Huxley (1876)


[solved] missing start menu search field

Brad Snyder
 

As long as I have been using Windows 10, after pressing the Windows-key to open the Start Menu, my focus has been placed in a Search field, and JAWS speaks “Search box, edit text”, or something similar.  This Start Menu Search field was present following the Windows 10 Spring 2004 update, but following a recent Windows 10 Cumulative Update, has disappeared.

Does anyone know how to get it back??


- Brad -





Re: Get rid of Bing during windows key search

Cher
 

Loy- I could never get Cortana & windows search to show up in the results, but the process pointed me to another site which may have fixed the problem. I’ll see- but thank you for putting me on the path!

 

Cher

 

 

 

From: win10@win10.groups.io <win10@win10.groups.io> On Behalf Of Loy
Sent: Monday, September 14, 2020 5:41 PM
To: win10@win10.groups.io
Subject: Re: [win10] Get rid of Bing during windows key search

 

I found this on the web, haven't tried it yet.'

1.    Click the Start button.

2.    Type Cortana in the Search field.

3.    Click Cortana & Search settings

4.    Click the switch beneath Cortana can give you suggestions, reminders, alerts, and more at the top of the menu so that it turns off.

5.    Click the switch beneath Search online and include web results so that it turns off.

Feb 5, 2020

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From: Don & Cher

Sent: Monday, September 14, 2020 4:28 PM

Subject: [win10] Get rid of Bing during windows key search

 

The last windows update seems to have dumped Bing into the windows key search. Is there a way to kill it? Forever Grateful to anyone who can slay the dragon 😉

 

Cher


Re: Thunderbird V78.22

David Goldfield
 

While this list is for asking questions about Windows 10 from a blindness perspective I notice that it often tends to branch out with discussions of specific software that runs under Windows 10 but which is not specific to Windows 10. This is not necessarily a criticism. I'm not the moderator and so I have no say s to whether such messages are considered relevant or appropriate. It was for this reason that I started the Office Accessibility list. I found that I had a question about performing a task in Office which wasn't unique to Windows 10 nor was it unique to a specific screen reader. I realized that the Win10 list might not be the best place for me to ask it and, as it wasn't a question unique to JAWS or NVDA I felt that it was time to launch a list specifically for users of Office. I guessed that it would see a good amount of users but I did not expect 200 subscribers in the first week the list was created and so this taught me that a need for such a list existed.

All of this is to say that after responding to a query about Thunderbird on this particular list I then felt a bit hypocritical, wondering if this list was the best place for such a response since one could correctly argue that Thunderbird questions are not at all unique to users of Windows 10. I'll freely admit that I do put a stop to threads on the Office Accessibility list that deal with issues which clearly have nothing to do with Office and I make no apology for doing so.

What I'm leading up to is that Mozilla does have an accessibility list for questions regarding its own products. The list is not very active but I think this is because many people simply aren't aware that it exists. A post that I submitted a few weeks ago on that list about some Firefox issues I was seeing with JAWS generated not one but two responses from two Mozilla developers and resulted in my crash logs being submitted in Bugzilla as a new defect that these gentlemen were previously unaware of. Therefore, I encourage all users of Firefox and Thunderbird to consider subscribing to this list to submit your feedback. Mozilla clearly monitors the list, responds to feedback and seems to genuinely care about addressing it. The following URL provides subscription info.

https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/accessibility



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On 9/16/2020 6:57 AM, David Goldfield wrote:
Leonard,

If you're already using an older version of TB I would say no. Are you using TB for the first time?

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On 9/15/2020 8:18 PM, leonard morris wrote:
Are there any settings I should consider modifying for Thunderbird V78.22  when working when using a screen reader?


Re: Thunderbird V78.22

David Goldfield
 

Leonard,

If you're already using an older version of TB I would say no. Are you using TB for the first time?

David Goldfield,
Blindness Assistive Technology Specialist
JAWS Certified, 2019

WWW.DavidGoldfield.org

On 9/15/2020 8:18 PM, leonard morris wrote:
Are there any settings I should consider modifying for Thunderbird V78.22  when working when using a screen reader?


Re: Thunderbird V78.22

Leo
 

Hi Leonard,

just a quick heads-up,

using  the version of thunderbird you've mentioned, and jaws 2020 august
release, when you go to account settings,

tab until you hear "account settings document," for a second time; at
this point, arrow down once, and you should listen jaws announcing the
tree view, so push bar space, and now you can actually interact  with
the tree view using up / down arrows.

hth

Leo

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― haruki murakami,

On 9/15/2020 6:18 PM, leonard morris wrote:
Are there any settings I should consider modifying for Thunderbird
V78.22  when working when using a screen reader?


Thunderbird V78.22

leonard morris
 

Are there any settings I should consider modifying for Thunderbird V78.22  when working when using a screen reader?


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Re: How to Stop the Alt-Tab Key From Reading Row and Column Information When Switching From One Window To Another

Timothy
 

On Tue, Sep 15, 2020 at 08:59 AM, David Goldfield wrote:

I thought that changing the theme to a classic theme used to correct this but I can't find such an option in Windows 10.

While I realize you already solved this issue via a setting change in NVDA, whether through a profile trigger or otherwise, you are right that there's a setting that will prevent this behavior by reverting the tab switcher to the Windows XP variant. For those with slower computers or where UIA happens to be a little unresponsive, this is truly a useful tweak as it doesn't make your computer feel slow when switching among windows.

There's the temporary way of doing this—holing the Left-alt key, tapping and releasing the Right-alt key, and pressing Tab a number of times until you find the window you want. There's also a registry tweak which is explained in this Winaero article which makes the behavior permanent for a user profile. The article says that there are visual changes as well, so it depends on you which solution you wish to use, but I avoid UIA whenever possible so have the registry tweak applied and never looked back.

Timothy


Re: How to Stop the Alt-Tab Key From Reading Row and Column Information When Switching From One Window To Another

 

Hi,
This is due to the fact that open windows are presented as a grid and somehow table column position information is presented through UIA.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: win10@win10.groups.io <win10@win10.groups.io> On Behalf Of David Goldfield
Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2020 6:00 AM
To: win10@win10.groups.io
Subject: [win10] How to Stop the Alt-Tab Key From Reading Row and Column Information When Switching From One Window To Another

Using Windows 10 version 2004.

I recently had to create a new user profile to correct an issue I was having. I have everything set up according to my preferences, except for one minor issue that I can't seem to resolve.

When I press the alt key and continuously tap the tab key to cycle from one open window to another I hear row and column information being spoken along with the title, as in, "JAWS row 1, column 1." I thought that changing the theme to a classic theme used to correct this but I can't find such an option in Windows 10.

I realize that I so far haven't specified screen reader and screen reader version info as this is not a screen reader issue. However, I'm using NVDA 2020.3 beta 1 as well as the August build of JAWS 2020.


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in search of a program to merge very large videos

Sarah k Alawami
 

As photos cannot open at least for me videos more than 3.58 gigs in length, (I get an error about not the right properties) I thought I'd try and find a program that can join my 4 gig videos. I can upload the archive in two parts, but I really don't want to do that. Is there a program I could use to do this then convert of necessary? I tried free make , but I don't want the free make logo, I wanted to speed up the conversion, and for that I have to buy the darned thing, and there are some unlabeled buttons that kind of hinder my progress. I did google but so far all I have found does not work such as a free video joiner that is accessible until you add a video. Then it is not as the list never appears to move vids up or down.

By the way I already submitted feedback about this and googling reveals that it was a windows update back in may that broke photos. I'm thinking this might have somethingn to do with 32 bit but I'm running the 64 bit version of windows.

Take care all.

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Re: hard drive diagnostic test program

 

What is it specifically that you're trying to find out?

Speccy generates a lot of information about drive health that can be saved to a text file for review.
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Re: How to Stop the Alt-Tab Key From Reading Row and Column Information When Switching From One Window To Another

gbmagoo@...
 

Sory my mistake

-----Original Message-----
From: win10@win10.groups.io <win10@win10.groups.io> On Behalf Of David Goldfield
Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2020 06:29
To: win10@win10.groups.io
Subject: Re: [win10] How to Stop the Alt-Tab Key From Reading Row and Column Information When Switching From One Window To Another

You wrote:

>>It is the beta jaws bill 2021, not 2020...

I'm not using the beta of JAWS 2021. I'm using a beta of NVDA 2020.3 as well as JAWS 2020.




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On 9/15/2020 9:26 AM, gbmagoo@gmail.com wrote:
It is the beta jaws bill 2021, not 2020...

Just thought I would let you know

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Goldfield
Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2020 06:00
To: win10@win10.groups.io
Subject: [win10] How to Stop the Alt-Tab Key From Reading Row and
Column Information When Switching From One Window To Another

Using Windows 10 version 2004.

I recently had to create a new user profile to correct an issue I was having. I have everything set up according to my preferences, except for one minor issue that I can't seem to resolve.

When I press the alt key and continuously tap the tab key to cycle from one open window to another I hear row and column information being spoken along with the title, as in, "JAWS row 1, column 1." I thought that changing the theme to a classic theme used to correct this but I can't find such an option in Windows 10.

I realize that I so far haven't specified screen reader and screen reader version info as this is not a screen reader issue. However, I'm using NVDA 2020.3 beta 1 as well as the August build of JAWS 2020.


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Re: How to Stop the Alt-Tab Key From Reading Row and Column Information When Switching From One Window To Another

David Goldfield
 

You wrote:

It is the beta jaws bill 2021, not 2020...
I'm not using the beta of JAWS 2021. I'm using a beta of NVDA 2020.3 as well as JAWS 2020.




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JAWS Certified, 2019

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On 9/15/2020 9:26 AM, gbmagoo@gmail.com wrote:
It is the beta jaws bill 2021, not 2020...

Just thought I would let you know

-----Original Message-----
From: win10@win10.groups.io <win10@win10.groups.io> On Behalf Of David Goldfield
Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2020 06:00
To: win10@win10.groups.io
Subject: [win10] How to Stop the Alt-Tab Key From Reading Row and Column Information When Switching From One Window To Another

Using Windows 10 version 2004.

I recently had to create a new user profile to correct an issue I was having. I have everything set up according to my preferences, except for one minor issue that I can't seem to resolve.

When I press the alt key and continuously tap the tab key to cycle from one open window to another I hear row and column information being spoken along with the title, as in, "JAWS row 1, column 1." I thought that changing the theme to a classic theme used to correct this but I can't find such an option in Windows 10.

I realize that I so far haven't specified screen reader and screen reader version info as this is not a screen reader issue. However, I'm using NVDA 2020.3 beta 1 as well as the August build of JAWS 2020.


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Re: How to Stop the Alt-Tab Key From Reading Row and Column Information When Switching From One Window To Another

gbmagoo@...
 

It is the beta jaws bill 2021, not 2020...

Just thought I would let you know

-----Original Message-----
From: win10@win10.groups.io <win10@win10.groups.io> On Behalf Of David Goldfield
Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2020 06:00
To: win10@win10.groups.io
Subject: [win10] How to Stop the Alt-Tab Key From Reading Row and Column Information When Switching From One Window To Another

Using Windows 10 version 2004.

I recently had to create a new user profile to correct an issue I was having. I have everything set up according to my preferences, except for one minor issue that I can't seem to resolve.

When I press the alt key and continuously tap the tab key to cycle from one open window to another I hear row and column information being spoken along with the title, as in, "JAWS row 1, column 1." I thought that changing the theme to a classic theme used to correct this but I can't find such an option in Windows 10.

I realize that I so far haven't specified screen reader and screen reader version info as this is not a screen reader issue. However, I'm using NVDA 2020.3 beta 1 as well as the August build of JAWS 2020.


--
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Re: How to Stop the Alt-Tab Key From Reading Row and Column Information When Switching From One Window To Another

David Goldfield
 

I have solved the problem and I must say I'm feeling a bit foolish.

First, the issue was screen reader specific. I thought I heard the row and column info speaking in JAWS but I had a bit of an aha moment and I suspected that I knew what the cause of the problem was. I checked and it was not occurring with JAWS, even though I thought that it was. As it turns out disabling NVDA's speaking of row and column headers fixed the problem.


David Goldfield,
Blindness Assistive Technology Specialist
JAWS Certified, 2019

WWW.DavidGoldfield.org

On 9/15/2020 8:59 AM, David Goldfield wrote:
Using Windows 10 version 2004.

I recently had to create a new user profile to correct an issue I was having. I have everything set up according to my preferences, except for one minor issue that I can't seem to resolve.

When I press the alt key and continuously tap the tab key to cycle from one open window to another I hear row and column information being spoken along with the title, as in, "JAWS row 1, column 1." I thought that changing the theme to a classic theme used to correct this but I can't find such an option in Windows 10.

I realize that I so far haven't specified screen reader and screen reader version info as this is not a screen reader issue. However, I'm using NVDA 2020.3 beta 1 as well as the August build of JAWS 2020.

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