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Re: Is there something else websites can use besides a captcha?

Holly
 

Even with very good hearing, it is very hard to understand the audio capcias.


Re: Is there something else websites can use besides a captcha?

Sandra Johnson <SLJohnson25@...>
 

Hello:

 

I hate CAPTCHAS.  They are difficult to hear and understand.  When using the audio challenge I have found many of them will not accept your answer even when you have typed in the correct numbers or letters.  I finally had to get a sighted person to enter it for me.  He said even the visual challenge was difficult to see.  If a website insists on this type of security then they need to make it easy to see and hear.   

 

 

Sandra Johnson

SLJohnson25@...

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Mike Capelle
Sent: Sunday, March 22, 2020 9:11 PM
To: win10@win10.groups.io
Subject: Re: [win10] Is there something else websites can use besides a captcha?

 

No, they are a good thing.

 

From: win10@win10.groups.io <win10@win10.groups.io> On Behalf Of Joseph Lee
Sent: Sunday, March 22, 2020 7:20 PM
To: win10@win10.groups.io
Subject: Re: [win10] Is there something else websites can use besides a captcha?

 

Hi,

An important interjection: having a CAPTCHA does not make a website automatically inaccessible. Please keep this in mind as the thread progresses.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

 

From: win10@win10.groups.io <win10@win10.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mr. Ed
Sent: Sunday, March 22, 2020 5:15 PM
To: win10@win10.groups.io
Subject: [win10] Is there something else websites can use besides a captcha?

 

Hi,

I went to a website on my state to send a message to the governor. When I was on the website I could fill out all the forms and write my message. But then at the bottom I had to put a check mark in the box I am not a robot. Then the captcha came up. Is there something else websites can use besides a captcha? By having the Captcha the website is not accessible. It also had an audio to use but I cannot use those as my hearing is not good enough. So how do these state websites or other sites get around using captchas and still meet the ADA guidelines to be accessible. Any idea’s or opinions on this?

Mr. Ed

 


Re: Is there something else websites can use besides a captcha?

 

Yes, of course, the purpose of the captcha es to prevent robots to fill out webforms, which can be accomplished by other means, for example, you could have a form field that:

 

Asks for the answer to something simple like “The sum of three and four” note they are written in text instead of numbers, and then verify that the answer is seven or 7.

Ask The color of the black horse of Washington” and verifying the answer.

Asking “Leve this field blank” and then if the field is filled out, send the whole thing to /dev/null.

 

And so on, the possibilities are many.

 

Humberto

 

 

 

From: win10@win10.groups.io <win10@win10.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mr. Ed
Sent: Sunday, March 22, 2020 8:15 PM
To: win10@win10.groups.io
Subject: [win10] Is there something else websites can use besides a captcha?

 

Hi,

I went to a website on my state to send a message to the governor. When I was on the website I could fill out all the forms and write my message. But then at the bottom I had to put a check mark in the box I am not a robot. Then the captcha came up. Is there something else websites can use besides a captcha? By having the Captcha the website is not accessible. It also had an audio to use but I cannot use those as my hearing is not good enough. So how do these state websites or other sites get around using captchas and still meet the ADA guidelines to be accessible. Any idea’s or opinions on this?

Mr. Ed


Re: Is there something else websites can use besides a captcha?

heather albright
 

I am not only blind, I having hearing difficulties so a spoken capcha does not work for me at all. So it is really not accessible to folks like me or my deaf blind friends. Or even those who do not know English. However, the math problems work just fine or the type words.

Cheers Heather

 

From: Joseph Lee
Sent: Sunday, March 22, 2020 7:19 PM
To: win10@win10.groups.io
Subject: Re: [win10] Is there something else websites can use besides acaptcha?

 

Hi,

An important interjection: having a CAPTCHA does not make a website automatically inaccessible. Please keep this in mind as the thread progresses.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

 

From: win10@win10.groups.io <win10@win10.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mr. Ed
Sent: Sunday, March 22, 2020 5:15 PM
To: win10@win10.groups.io
Subject: [win10] Is there something else websites can use besides a captcha?

 

Hi,

I went to a website on my state to send a message to the governor. When I was on the website I could fill out all the forms and write my message. But then at the bottom I had to put a check mark in the box I am not a robot. Then the captcha came up. Is there something else websites can use besides a captcha? By having the Captcha the website is not accessible. It also had an audio to use but I cannot use those as my hearing is not good enough. So how do these state websites or other sites get around using captchas and still meet the ADA guidelines to be accessible. Any idea’s or opinions on this?

Mr. Ed

 


Re: Is there something else websites can use besides a captcha?

Mike Capelle <mcap@...>
 

No, they are a good thing.

 

From: win10@win10.groups.io <win10@win10.groups.io> On Behalf Of Joseph Lee
Sent: Sunday, March 22, 2020 7:20 PM
To: win10@win10.groups.io
Subject: Re: [win10] Is there something else websites can use besides a captcha?

 

Hi,

An important interjection: having a CAPTCHA does not make a website automatically inaccessible. Please keep this in mind as the thread progresses.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

 

From: win10@win10.groups.io <win10@win10.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mr. Ed
Sent: Sunday, March 22, 2020 5:15 PM
To: win10@win10.groups.io
Subject: [win10] Is there something else websites can use besides a captcha?

 

Hi,

I went to a website on my state to send a message to the governor. When I was on the website I could fill out all the forms and write my message. But then at the bottom I had to put a check mark in the box I am not a robot. Then the captcha came up. Is there something else websites can use besides a captcha? By having the Captcha the website is not accessible. It also had an audio to use but I cannot use those as my hearing is not good enough. So how do these state websites or other sites get around using captchas and still meet the ADA guidelines to be accessible. Any idea’s or opinions on this?

Mr. Ed


Re: 2020 census

meadowlark226
 

Thanks for that. I'm gonna have to do mine that way.

Brenda

mailto:meadowlark226@frontier.com

-----Original Message-----
From: Gerald Levy via Groups.Io
Sent: Friday, March 20, 2020 12:53 PM
To: win10@win10.groups.io
Subject: Re: [win10] 2020 census






Call 844-330-2020 if you are having trouble filling out the census questionnaire online. Explain that you are blind and would like to complete it by phone to avoid a visit from a census taker. We are entering uncharted territory, so it's anyone's guess what will happen with the census.





Gerald








On 3/20/2020 12:44 PM, heather albright wrote:


Does anyone have the number they say you can call to fill it out? I did not see it only that you can call. Thanks Heather





From: Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Friday, March 20, 2020 10:54 AM
To: win10@win10.groups.io
Subject: Re: [win10] 2020 census





If you don't have a sighted person around who can check it for you, why not use Aira, I'm sure they can help you with that and since this should take a lot less than 5 minutes it would be a free call.





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From: win10@win10.groups.io mailto:win10@win10.groups.io On Behalf Of Gary Metzler

Sent: Friday, March 20, 2020 3:25 AM

To: win10@win10.groups.io

Subject: Re: [win10] 2020 census



I got my letter and would like to know where will I find the code so I can fill out the form? Thanks for any help.



-----Original Message-----

From: win10@win10.groups.io mailto:win10@win10.groups.io On Behalf Of ely.r@comcast.net

Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2020 6:29 PM

To: win10@win10.groups.io

Subject: Re: [win10] 2020 census



I did the Census form today with NVDA. Would have recommended some reorganization of the form but finished and knew nothing about a time limit. I know, that was of no particular help for you, but did want to share the experience.

Rick and General



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From: win10@win10.groups.io mailto:win10@win10.groups.io On Behalf Of Don & Cher

Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2020 5:21 PM

To: win10@win10.groups.io

Subject: Re: [win10] 2020 census



I have tried to fill it out twice- very rapidly I must say- and am getting kicked out in less than or about 10 minutes.



Very irritated JAWS user,

Cher





-----Original Message-----

From: win10@win10.groups.io mailto:win10@win10.groups.io On Behalf Of Don H

Sent: Sunday, March 15, 2020 5:23 PM

To: win10@win10.groups.io

Subject: [win10] 2020 census



Interesting that when you go to the 2020census.gov web site it says people using screen readers should use Internet Explorer to access the site. Seems a little behind the times to me. You can use the site to fill out the census after you get your letter in the mail with a key code.


Re: Is there something else websites can use besides a captcha?

Immigrant
 

You are right, a lot of sites now offer audio CAPTCHA.

 

From: win10@win10.groups.io <win10@win10.groups.io> On Behalf Of Joseph Lee
Sent: Sunday, March 22, 2020 8:20 PM
To: win10@win10.groups.io
Subject: Re: [win10] Is there something else websites can use besides a captcha?

 

Hi,

An important interjection: having a CAPTCHA does not make a website automatically inaccessible. Please keep this in mind as the thread progresses.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

 

From: win10@win10.groups.io <win10@win10.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mr. Ed
Sent: Sunday, March 22, 2020 5:15 PM
To: win10@win10.groups.io
Subject: [win10] Is there something else websites can use besides a captcha?

 

Hi,

I went to a website on my state to send a message to the governor. When I was on the website I could fill out all the forms and write my message. But then at the bottom I had to put a check mark in the box I am not a robot. Then the captcha came up. Is there something else websites can use besides a captcha? By having the Captcha the website is not accessible. It also had an audio to use but I cannot use those as my hearing is not good enough. So how do these state websites or other sites get around using captchas and still meet the ADA guidelines to be accessible. Any idea’s or opinions on this?

Mr. Ed


Re: Is there something else websites can use besides a captcha?

 

Hi,

An important interjection: having a CAPTCHA does not make a website automatically inaccessible. Please keep this in mind as the thread progresses.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

 

From: win10@win10.groups.io <win10@win10.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mr. Ed
Sent: Sunday, March 22, 2020 5:15 PM
To: win10@win10.groups.io
Subject: [win10] Is there something else websites can use besides a captcha?

 

Hi,

I went to a website on my state to send a message to the governor. When I was on the website I could fill out all the forms and write my message. But then at the bottom I had to put a check mark in the box I am not a robot. Then the captcha came up. Is there something else websites can use besides a captcha? By having the Captcha the website is not accessible. It also had an audio to use but I cannot use those as my hearing is not good enough. So how do these state websites or other sites get around using captchas and still meet the ADA guidelines to be accessible. Any idea’s or opinions on this?

Mr. Ed


Is there something else websites can use besides a captcha?

Mr. Ed
 

Hi,

I went to a website on my state to send a message to the governor. When I was on the website I could fill out all the forms and write my message. But then at the bottom I had to put a check mark in the box I am not a robot. Then the captcha came up. Is there something else websites can use besides a captcha? By having the Captcha the website is not accessible. It also had an audio to use but I cannot use those as my hearing is not good enough. So how do these state websites or other sites get around using captchas and still meet the ADA guidelines to be accessible. Any idea’s or opinions on this?

Mr. Ed


Re: skype scrips

A.Mac
 

tankyou

On 22/03/2020 15:40, Daniel MacDonald wrote:
What I used to do when I had Windows on my Mac is install the Skype scripts from Doug lee. They work with JAWS 2019 or later wants they’re installed. For earlier versions, install a program also by Doug lee and then the scripts. They will work.
Daniel


On Mar 22, 2020, at 9:40 AM, Humberto Rodriguez <sub@...> wrote:

Skype 8 or Desktop works well with JAWS 2020, which already has the Skype scripts included; it is hard to try to help you without knowing the versions of the different software i.e. Skype and JAWS that you use. 
Humberto



-----Original Message-----
From: win10@win10.groups.io <win10@win10.groups.io> On Behalf Of A.Mac via Groups.Io
Sent: Sunday, March 22, 2020 3:26 AM
To: win10@win10.groups.io
Subject: [win10] skype scrips

hi all, iam using skype with jaws and win .10, but i can not get jaws to 
read the screen in skype do i need scrips or something?



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Re: the new Edge Chromium browser

Cher
 

I grew weary of waiting and downloaded it by searching for 'new edge download'. Now I'm trying to catch up with everyone who has been using it for a few months already 😉

Cher

-----Original Message-----
From: win10@win10.groups.io <win10@win10.groups.io> On Behalf Of Luis Carlos Gonzáles Moráles
Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2020 6:27 PM
To: win10@win10.groups.io
Subject: Re: [win10] the new edge chromoim browser:

It's already releaced isn't it?

Kenny Peyattt jr. wrote:
Hi when will Microsoft start rolling the new Microsoft edge to all
windows 10 laptops?



Re: irrelevant information

Brian Vogel <britechguy@...>
 

On Sun, Mar 22, 2020 at 06:04 AM, Marisane Moruthanyana wrote:
We ask what is relevant in these mailing lists and we are
unfortunately not responded to due to unnecessary conversations that
take place on the lists.
This deserves a separate response of its own.   On any group, and particularly those that are high traffic groups, there will always be tons of topics that do not hold even the slightest interest to a given reader even if they are entirely on-topic for the list.  This is precisely the reason I wrote the tutorial (take your pick of download format):

Controlling the Messages You Receive via E-Mail from Groups.io (docx)

Controlling the Messages You Receive via E-Mail from Groups.io  (PDF)

Anyone who wishes to remain engaged in a group, but also wants to limit their traffic, should follow the steps I describe for setting up topic preview.  That way, unless you follow a topic based upon the first message, you will not receive any additional messages from that topic.   In fact, the original message where I put this information out is a pinned topic in the archive for this group, and is the only pinned topic - 
Fine-Grained Control Over the Group Messages You Receive from Groups.io.  There are lots of ways to control unwanted traffic that is not unwanted because it's off-topic, but just because you don't prefer to keep receiving it.

--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363

This country has socialism for the rich, rugged individualism for the poor.

       ~ Rev. Martin Luther King Jr.


Re: irrelevant information

Brian Vogel <britechguy@...>
 

On Sun, Mar 22, 2020 at 12:56 PM, Joseph Lee wrote:
Also, for future reference, please do NOT cross-post by using CC/copy to feature. If you do need to do that, please use BCC/blind carbon copy.
Actually, I'd extend that to please don't cross-post, period.  It's considered bad manners in the netiquette world and on some lists (but not Groups.io) can result in replies posted to what the person replying believes is a single list going out to multiples.  And on most lists/forums where that can occur a single instance of cross-posting can get you banned.

If, however, you feel something warrants attention on several different groups, because this happens, create a separate topic on each group/list, even if the title and content are precisely the same.   The need to do this at all should be quite rare, but it does happen every once in a great while.
 
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Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363

This country has socialism for the rich, rugged individualism for the poor.

       ~ Rev. Martin Luther King Jr.


Re: irrelevant information

 

Hi,
Also, for future reference, please do NOT cross-post by using CC/copy to feature. If you do need to do that, please use BCC/blind carbon copy.

With that said:

  • Census topic: initially I asked people to contact the government should they run into problems. But as the discussion unfolded, it became clear that the advice given by the United States Census Bureau was inaccurate – asking folks to use Internet Explorer with JAWS. I have completed my own census yesterday with Chromium Edge and latest NVDA release. Thus it is more than important to tell the government to make the information more accurate, but time will tell if needed changes will be implemented.
  • Window-Eyes: when I announced end of Window-Eyes in 2017, I did say that discussion surrounding this screen reader will continue as there are folks who are still using it or transitioning to other screen readers. That policy still applies. Same goes with unsupported Windows 10 releases, although the advice has been to update to supported Windows 10 releases.

I’d like to hear feedback from others before closing this request next week.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

 

From: win10@win10.groups.io <win10@win10.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Sunday, March 22, 2020 8:50 AM
To: win10@win10.groups.io
Subject: Re: [win10] irrelevant information

 

The response I gave to this message on the NVDA Group is just as relevant here:

While Window-Eyes, like JAWS, or VoiceOver, or TalkBack, or other screen readers occasionally get passing mention here during discussions, generally as a "compare and contrast" for a wanted but missing feature, or discussing something that could easily be done using Window-Eyes that is more cumbersome via another screen reader.

It would be foolish to even try to enforce some strict decree that any screen reader, whether currently supported or obsolete, absolutely cannot be mentioned.

This complaint seems to me to be a solution in search of a non-existent problem.  The readership of this group, and other blind technology groups, is acutely aware that Window-Eyes is not a currently supported product, but that there are also some who have it that continue to use it and that the odd, occasional question will arise.  I have yet to see someone encourage anyone not already using Window-Eyes to adopt it.  Were someone to do so, I would expect the reaction from the readership would promptly disabuse anyone of the wisdom of doing so.

Context matters.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363

This country has socialism for the rich, rugged individualism for the poor.

       ~ Rev. Martin Luther King Jr.


Re: irrelevant information

Brian Vogel <britechguy@...>
 

The response I gave to this message on the NVDA Group is just as relevant here:

While Window-Eyes, like JAWS, or VoiceOver, or TalkBack, or other screen readers occasionally get passing mention here during discussions, generally as a "compare and contrast" for a wanted but missing feature, or discussing something that could easily be done using Window-Eyes that is more cumbersome via another screen reader.

It would be foolish to even try to enforce some strict decree that any screen reader, whether currently supported or obsolete, absolutely cannot be mentioned.

This complaint seems to me to be a solution in search of a non-existent problem.  The readership of this group, and other blind technology groups, is acutely aware that Window-Eyes is not a currently supported product, but that there are also some who have it that continue to use it and that the odd, occasional question will arise.  I have yet to see someone encourage anyone not already using Window-Eyes to adopt it.  Were someone to do so, I would expect the reaction from the readership would promptly disabuse anyone of the wisdom of doing so.

Context matters.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363

This country has socialism for the rich, rugged individualism for the poor.

       ~ Rev. Martin Luther King Jr.


Re: skype scrips

Daniel MacDonald
 

What I used to do when I had Windows on my Mac is install the Skype scripts from Doug lee. They work with JAWS 2019 or later wants they’re installed. For earlier versions, install a program also by Doug lee and then the scripts. They will work.
Daniel


On Mar 22, 2020, at 9:40 AM, Humberto Rodriguez <sub@...> wrote:

Skype 8 or Desktop works well with JAWS 2020, which already has the Skype scripts included; it is hard to try to help you without knowing the versions of the different software i.e. Skype and JAWS that you use. 
Humberto



-----Original Message-----
From: win10@win10.groups.io <win10@win10.groups.io> On Behalf Of A.Mac via Groups.Io
Sent: Sunday, March 22, 2020 3:26 AM
To: win10@win10.groups.io
Subject: [win10] skype scrips

hi all, iam using skype with jaws and win .10, but i can not get jaws to 
read the screen in skype do i need scrips or something?



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Re: irrelevant information

Sherry Wells
 

Hello Wally,

Although I mostly agree with your email, I think the census thread was relevant as it pertained to how to complete the census using different browsers. As you said in your email, " The lists are meant for us to learn and effectively use technology..."

Sherry Wells

-----Original Message-----
From: win10@win10.groups.io <win10@win10.groups.io> On Behalf Of Marisane Moruthanyana
Sent: Sunday, March 22, 2020 6:05 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Cc: win10@win10.groups.io
Subject: [win10] irrelevant information

Hi gurus

This is Wally from SA.

I am often confused by people still referring others to what is no longer there.

When one asks for assistance, one expects you, gurus to assist in terms of what we now have.

I would like to request the administrators of these lists to mute those people who continuously mislead us.

We do not have Window Eyes any longer so, according to me assisting someone using the mentality of ignoring change, does not help the blind community.

Census, why is this topic allowed here? Is it about technology?

Let these lists be used in context.

I am not angry, but concerned.

We ask what is relevant in these mailing lists and we are unfortunately not responded to due to unnecessary conversations that take place on the lists.

Let us respect the lists for purposes of learning and self-enhancement.

The lists are meant for us to learn and effectively use technology and not for anything else.

Thanking you in advance for your understanding.

Wally Marisane: SA


Re: skype scrips

 

Skype 8 or Desktop works well with JAWS 2020, which already has the Skype scripts included; it is hard to try to help you without knowing the versions of the different software i.e. Skype and JAWS that you use.
Humberto

-----Original Message-----
From: win10@win10.groups.io <win10@win10.groups.io> On Behalf Of A.Mac via Groups.Io
Sent: Sunday, March 22, 2020 3:26 AM
To: win10@win10.groups.io
Subject: [win10] skype scrips

hi all, iam using skype with jaws and win .10, but i can not get jaws to
read the screen in skype do i need scrips or something?



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irrelevant information

Marisane Moruthanyana
 

Hi gurus

This is Wally from SA.

I am often confused by people still referring others to what is no longer there.

When one asks for assistance, one expects you, gurus to assist in
terms of what we now have.

I would like to request the administrators of these lists to mute
those people who continuously mislead us.

We do not have Window Eyes any longer so, according to me assisting
someone using the mentality of ignoring change, does not help the
blind community.

Census, why is this topic allowed here? Is it about technology?

Let these lists be used in context.

I am not angry, but concerned.

We ask what is relevant in these mailing lists and we are
unfortunately not responded to due to unnecessary conversations that
take place on the lists.

Let us respect the lists for purposes of learning and self-enhancement.

The lists are meant for us to learn and effectively use technology and
not for anything else.

Thanking you in advance for your understanding.

Wally Marisane: SA


skype scrips

A.Mac
 

hi all, iam using skype with jaws and win .10, but i can not get jaws to read the screen in skype do i need scrips or something?



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